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  • #4 - The PCA Votes on "Gay/SSA Christian" Pastors

    David and TJ discuss the goals, statuses, and potential impacts of several overtures (i.e. amendments) that were brought to the PCA national conversation in June/July of 2021. The Presbyterian Church in America's (PCA's) General Assembly was an event of much debate and controversy as this denomination tried to take a stance on ordination of "gay" pastors.  While these proposed changes won't directly affect members of PCA congregations, they do aim at barring/removing pastors and other officers from serving in the church if they identify as "gay", "SSA", etc. 


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    Contents: 


    00 - Intro to PCA, Revoice, Greg Johnson, Study Report, "SSA Sin", Overtures 


    20 - General Assembly and 3-Step Process for Overture Amendments 


    22 - Overture 16: "those who identify as homosexual and claim to practice celibacy" 


    24 - Overture 23: “Those who profess an identity . . . that undermines or contradicts their identity as new creations in Christ” 


    37 - Overture 37: Character examination of candidate & “must not be known by reputation or self-profession for his remaining sinfulness" 


    47 - Concluding Steps and Recommended Actions 


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    Links: 


    5 Reasons to Vote No To Overture 37 by Travis Scott (why it will not bring peace and unity to the PCA) 


    Summary of the Overtures 23 and 37 (the two overtures on homosexuality that passed through General Assembly)   


    PCA Study Report on Human Sexuality


    Video Conversation from Tim Keller and Kevin DeYoung on the Study Report (YouTube)  


    An Open Letter from Pastors in the PCA on Charity and Faithfulness (afaithfulpca.net)



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    55 min
  • #3 - A-B-Y-X | 4 Sides on SSA/Gay Sexuality

    David and TJ describe the “Sides” terminology/heuristic device used among many Christians engaged in the conversation around sexuality and Christianity in the US. They describe the most common fourfold system - A, B, Y, X – including the key principles that animate the particular school of thought, key organizations and/or figures, and values or postures that seem to be embedded among people in each broad school.


    This conversation will be of use to listening to many future episodes as we are likely to use this system as a basic reference system when talking about the various schools of thought.


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    Show Notes:


    Here is David's shorthand tool for remembering the 4 sides:


    Side  Affirming homosexual practice    #affirm


    Side  contextualizing traditional Biblical sexuality       #renew


    Side  whY talk about sexual orientation   #renounce


    Side  eX-Gay therapy             #rebuild


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    A Summary Chart of ABYX [PNG Link]


    A thorough breakdown and history of the 4 sides [4 Sides - Life on Side B]


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    The origination of the Side A and B distinction from the Gay Christian Network (note: the contemporary Side B perspective is more expansive than this) [Bridges-Across: The Sides of the Divide -archive]


    Mudblood Catholic’s Definition and Origination of the Side Y Descriptor [Mudblood Catholic: Gay and Catholic, Part I: Gaystation Two]


    Bible Gender, and Sexuality by James V Brownson [Book link]


    Michael Hannon Article “Against Heterosexuality” [Against Heterosexuality by Michael W. Hannon | Articles | First Things]


    Rosaria Butterfield’s What is wrong with gay Christianity? What is Side A and Side B anyway? [What is wrong with gay Christianity? What is Side A and Side B anyway? — Rosaria Champagne Butterfield (rosariabutterfield.com)]


    Strength of His Might’s Definition System – Adding Sides C & O [Definition of Terms | Strength of His Might (wordpress.com)]


    Kevin DeYoung’s Article “Four Approaches to Race, Politics, and Gender” [Four Approaches to Race, Politics, and Gender - Kevin DeYoung (thegospelcoalition.org)]



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    1 hr 2 min
  • #2 - Art, Jesus, and 'Queering' Your Perspective | Chat with Raye

    TJ and David have a lovely time chatting with Raye! Raye is a Side B woman, who shares her experience growing up in a conservative Christian home and church, and later comes to terms with her tilted perspective. At times she identifies as "queer", yet she has recently and happily joined in marriage with her husband.


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    00 - Gender Roles, Sexuality, & Growing Up


    11 - Hospitality and Vulnerability


    20 - Explaining your Marriage as a Queer Person


    32 - Importance of Friendships


    41 - Unexpected Goods; "Queering" in Art


    45 - PCA


    56 - Sharing Personal Convictions to Side A and Side X people


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    This episode is a bit longer than anticipated, so feel free to listen to this as 1.5x speed to keep it under an hour ;)



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    1 hr 19 min
  • #1 - The Pull to Side A
    Communion & Shalom's first episode, where TJ and David discuss why many straight Christians feel pulled to "Side A", an affirming progressive sexual ethics perspective (i.e. approval of gay marriage/sex). TJ and David discuss these dynamics, and the impact on queer/gay/SSA/etc Christians who are "Side B" (i.e. not-straight, but affirm the historical Biblical teaching of sex between husband and wife).

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    54 min

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Welcome to New Kinship, where we are exploring and renewing ideas of belonging, desire, and being a neighbor in the Kingdom of Jesus. Together we are pursuing the communion and shalom of the church…