“This is a terrifying moment in our country – it's literally illegal to teach that racism exists. But most white people live segregated lives. And I think the most powerful message of white supremacy is that I could live, love, work, play, die in racial segregation with no sense whatsoever that anything of value has been lost.” 

There’s been a lot of discussion recently about white fragility, critical race theory (CRT), systemic racism, and more – but what does any of this actually mean? And how can we talk about these things in ways that don't further backlash against progress, or leave white folks feeling an unhelpful amount of guilt? How did we go from the racial awakening of 2020 to the anti-CRT backlash of 2022?

Van Jones sits down with Dr. Robin DiAngelo, bestselling author of White Fragility and Nice Racism, to discuss the history of racism in America, how we got to where we are today, and how we can approach these difficult but necessary conversations – so we can forge a better future. 

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