Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)

Nicholas Carlini (Google DeepMind)


Listen Later

Nicholas Carlini from Google DeepMind offers his view of AI security, emergent LLM capabilities, and his groundbreaking model-stealing research. He reveals how LLMs can unexpectedly excel at tasks like chess and discusses the security pitfalls of LLM-generated code.


SPONSOR MESSAGES:

***

CentML offers competitive pricing for GenAI model deployment, with flexible options to suit a wide range of models, from small to large-scale deployments.

https://centml.ai/pricing/


Tufa AI Labs is a brand new research lab in Zurich started by Benjamin Crouzier focussed on o-series style reasoning and AGI. Are you interested in working on reasoning, or getting involved in their events?


Goto https://tufalabs.ai/

***


Transcript: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/lat7sfyd4k3g5k9crjpbf/CARLINI.pdf?rlkey=b7kcqbvau17uw6rksbr8ccd8v&dl=0


TOC:

1. ML Security Fundamentals

[00:00:00] 1.1 ML Model Reasoning and Security Fundamentals

[00:03:04] 1.2 ML Security Vulnerabilities and System Design

[00:08:22] 1.3 LLM Chess Capabilities and Emergent Behavior

[00:13:20] 1.4 Model Training, RLHF, and Calibration Effects


2. Model Evaluation and Research Methods

[00:19:40] 2.1 Model Reasoning and Evaluation Metrics

[00:24:37] 2.2 Security Research Philosophy and Methodology

[00:27:50] 2.3 Security Disclosure Norms and Community Differences


3. LLM Applications and Best Practices

[00:44:29] 3.1 Practical LLM Applications and Productivity Gains

[00:49:51] 3.2 Effective LLM Usage and Prompting Strategies

[00:53:03] 3.3 Security Vulnerabilities in LLM-Generated Code


4. Advanced LLM Research and Architecture

[00:59:13] 4.1 LLM Code Generation Performance and O(1) Labs Experience

[01:03:31] 4.2 Adaptation Patterns and Benchmarking Challenges

[01:10:10] 4.3 Model Stealing Research and Production LLM Architecture Extraction


REFS:

[00:01:15] Nicholas Carlini’s personal website & research profile (Google DeepMind, ML security) - https://nicholas.carlini.com/


[00:01:50] CentML AI compute platform for language model workloads - https://centml.ai/


[00:04:30] Seminal paper on neural network robustness against adversarial examples (Carlini & Wagner, 2016) - https://arxiv.org/abs/1608.04644


[00:05:20] Computer Fraud and Abuse Act (CFAA) – primary U.S. federal law on computer hacking liability - https://www.justice.gov/jm/jm-9-48000-computer-fraud


[00:08:30] Blog post: Emergent chess capabilities in GPT-3.5-turbo-instruct (Nicholas Carlini, Sept 2023) - https://nicholas.carlini.com/writing/2023/chess-llm.html


[00:16:10] Paper: “Self-Play Preference Optimization for Language Model Alignment” (Yue Wu et al., 2024) - https://arxiv.org/abs/2405.00675


[00:18:00] GPT-4 Technical Report: development, capabilities, and calibration analysis - https://arxiv.org/abs/2303.08774


[00:22:40] Historical shift from descriptive to algebraic chess notation (FIDE) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Descriptive_notation


[00:23:55] Analysis of distribution shift in ML (Hendrycks et al.) - https://arxiv.org/abs/2006.16241


[00:27:40] Nicholas Carlini’s essay “Why I Attack” (June 2024) – motivations for security research - https://nicholas.carlini.com/writing/2024/why-i-attack.html


[00:34:05] Google Project Zero’s 90-day vulnerability disclosure policy - https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/p/vulnerability-disclosure-policy.html


[00:51:15] Evolution of Google search syntax & user behavior (Daniel M. Russell) - https://www.amazon.com/Joy-Search-Google-Master-Information/dp/0262042878


[01:04:05] Rust’s ownership & borrowing system for memory safety - https://doc.rust-lang.org/book/ch04-00-understanding-ownership.html


[01:10:05] Paper: “Stealing Part of a Production Language Model” (Carlini et al., March 2024) – extraction attacks on ChatGPT, PaLM-2 - https://arxiv.org/abs/2403.06634


[01:10:55] First model stealing paper (Tramèr et al., 2016) – attacking ML APIs via prediction - https://arxiv.org/abs/1609.02943

...more
View all episodesView all episodes
Download on the App Store

Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)By Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)

  • 4.7
  • 4.7
  • 4.7
  • 4.7
  • 4.7

4.7

85 ratings


More shows like Machine Learning Street Talk (MLST)

View all
Data Skeptic by Kyle Polich

Data Skeptic

481 Listeners

The TWIML AI Podcast (formerly This Week in Machine Learning & Artificial Intelligence) by Sam Charrington

The TWIML AI Podcast (formerly This Week in Machine Learning & Artificial Intelligence)

441 Listeners

Super Data Science: ML & AI Podcast with Jon Krohn by Jon Krohn

Super Data Science: ML & AI Podcast with Jon Krohn

298 Listeners

Practical AI by Practical AI LLC

Practical AI

192 Listeners

Google DeepMind: The Podcast by Hannah Fry

Google DeepMind: The Podcast

198 Listeners

Last Week in AI by Skynet Today

Last Week in AI

287 Listeners

Dwarkesh Podcast by Dwarkesh Patel

Dwarkesh Podcast

426 Listeners

No Priors: Artificial Intelligence | Technology | Startups by Conviction

No Priors: Artificial Intelligence | Technology | Startups

121 Listeners

This Day in AI Podcast by Michael Sharkey, Chris Sharkey

This Day in AI Podcast

201 Listeners

Unsupervised Learning by by Redpoint Ventures

Unsupervised Learning

50 Listeners

Latent Space: The AI Engineer Podcast by swyx + Alessio

Latent Space: The AI Engineer Podcast

75 Listeners

The AI Daily Brief (Formerly The AI Breakdown): Artificial Intelligence News and Analysis by Nathaniel Whittemore

The AI Daily Brief (Formerly The AI Breakdown): Artificial Intelligence News and Analysis

491 Listeners

AI + a16z by a16z

AI + a16z

31 Listeners

Lightcone Podcast by Y Combinator

Lightcone Podcast

22 Listeners

Training Data by Sequoia Capital

Training Data

43 Listeners