Tired of loud frothy-mouth, potty-mouth debates on primetime TV? Tired of sad character-limited fights on Twitter where you don't really learn anything? We have something that might excite you. Newslaundry presents a new podcast: NL vs NL. Let's make debates great again!In this episode, Shardool Katyatan and Newslaundry subscriber Dhiraj Bhandary debate whether governments should spend on welfare. Shardool thinks they should, Dhiraj disagrees. Listen and tell us who you agree or disagree with, and why.

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