It is a troubling time. But we chatted to one of our absolute favourite people, Saoirse McHugh, about some of the good things that could emerge from this difficult time. We discuss how the reaction to the Covid-19 pandemic has sped up progress in health, housing and childcare and how we can create a vision that shows the world at large that these policies are also climate policies. These things can't be unseen and whether it's called a Green New Deal or pandemic preparedness, the old attitude of "sure you can't do that" is finished. There's no going back.

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