What role do non-state proxy groups play in the current global security framework? This episode focuses on the Wagner Group, which has the potential to aid Russian state interests on multiple fronts, and not just on the battlefield. Host Stephen Reimer dives into the murky world of the Wagner Group, state threats and finance with guests Justyna Gudzowska, director of illicit finance policy at investigative NGO The Sentry, and Jason Blazakis, director of the Centre on Terrorism, Extremism and Counterterrorism at the Middlebury Institute in Monterey, California.