Chas Smith is the founder of Beachgrit and a prolific content creator in and beyond surfing.

He recently released the stunning documentary Trouble featuring the story of one of the world's truly iconic surfers Lisa Anderson.

Over a vodka soda we discuss the making of the movie and why talent should never be involved in making their own movies, why he loves both Lisa and Jamie O'Brien, why women should be leading the surfing world and why he's a Collingwood supporter.

Honest, insightful and always unique please enjoy Chas Smith.

As always Lipped is fuelled by Salt Lager

To read more of Chas's work visit www.beachgrit.com

Watch Trouble here: https://itunes.apple.com/us/movie/trouble-the-lisa-andersen-story/id1456172213