Derek Rielly is the founder of Beachgrit & Stab Magazine and has been shaping some of the more unique ways we view surf culture since the late 90's.

He's founded mags, written books about Australian legends (Wednesdays with Bob), succeeded richly and failed miserably.

In this episode we chat about creating Stab, surfing wave pools, surf industry gravy trains and how being trampled on is character building.

Creative, interesting and sometimes controversial Derek offers a fascinating view on surfing through a sometimes alternative lens. 

Check out Derek's writing on beachgrit.com and Wednesdays with Bob here: https://www.panmacmillan.com.au/9781760554262/