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In this episode we talk to Ali Eslami, who is a Principal Research Scientist at Google DeepMind studying artificial intelligence. He's currently also Director of Research Strategy for Google Gemini. Prior to this, he led a team at DeepMind working on generative models, self-supervised learning, multi-modal large language models. He also led the Quantum Chemistry and Materials team in Science.

Prior to DeepMind, he was a post-doctoral researcher at Microsoft Research Cambridge. He did his PhD at the University of Edinburgh, where he was a Carnegie scholar. During that time he was also a visiting researcher at Oxford University in the visual geometry group.

We talk about:

• The emergence of the AI landscape
• Whether you need a body to understand the world
• Human perception slash Plato
• The difference between how humans and AI learn
• How AI models are built and trained
• Differences between Machine learning and Generative AI
• Marcus Aurelius and how amazing the human brain is
• Whether we are about to surrender our sovereignty to AI

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