Pannill welcomes Branislav Jakovljevic of Stanford University and Kimberly Jannarone of the David Geffen School of Drama at Yale to talk about the points of contact between their two new books. Branislav Jakovljevic's book is entitled The Performance Apparatus: On Ideological Production of Behaviors, and Kimberly Jannarone's book is entitled Mass Performance: Systems and Citizens. Both are published by University of Michigan Press.