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OpenClaw and Building Fake Apps

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Come meet the crew of AI agents Brian has working for him, Justin's building fake apps to experiment and find out what he wants for real apps, and why don't we feel like we can relax now that we're doing ok?

Timestamps:

  • (00:45) - What we're talking about this episode
  • (03:14) - Brian's OpenClaw setup
  • (11:57) - The cost of token usage with OpenClaw
  • (17:32) - What makes the memory better in OpenClaw?
  • (22:38) - What about Cowork?
  • (25:21) - Working with multiple agents in OpenClaw
  • (27:07) - The problem of Siri
  • (29:25) - The challenges of working is the same across AI or hiring
  • (31:28) - The importance of thinking of AI as an employee
  • (35:03) - What you'll miss by using AI instead of hiring a human
  • (44:14) - Why Justin thinks it's important to build fake products
  • (49:57) - Justin's app to publish a video as a podcast
  • (53:41) - Building a company to compete with yourself like Freshbooks
  • (55:39) - How might Transistor change bringing in new features?
  • (01:04:07) - Design OS updates
  • (01:09:01) - Why is Brian working all the time and feeling urgency?
  • (01:16:26) - Marketing for developers in 2026
  • (01:30:37) - Founder led marketing is key
  • (01:36:27) - Where are the real products being built with AI? Is AI actually speeding me up?
  • (01:46:31) - Do I need to make as much money as possible now?

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    • Links mentioned in this episode:

    • OpenClaw (Clawdbot)
    • Brian’s crew of AI agents that live on his Mac Mini
    • OpenClaw popularity on GitHub over time
    • Demo of Justin’s video hosting app
    • The story of how Freshbooks created a fake company to launch a new version of their product
    • Caleb Porzio - Everything I feel about AI right now
    • Jeffrey Way - I'm done
    • Adam Wathan - ui.sh
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