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“Operationalizing FDT” by Vivek Hebbar


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This post is an attempt to better operationalize FDT (functional decision theory). It answers the following questions:

  • given a logical causal graph, how do we define the logical do-operator?
  • what is logical causality and how might it be formalized?
  • how does FDT interact with anthropic updating?
  • why do we need logical causality?  why FDT and not EDT?

Defining the logical do-operator

Consider Parfit's hitchhiker:

A logical causal graph for Parfit's hitchhiker, where blue nodes are logical facts

An FDT agent is supposed to reason as follows:

  • I am deciding the value of the node "Does my algorithm pay?"
  • If I set that node to "yes", then omega will save me and I will get +1000 utility.  Also I will pay and lose 1 utility.  Total is +999.
  • If I set that node to "no", then omega will not save me.  I will get 0 utility.
  • Therefore I choose to pay.

The bolded phrases are invoking logical counterfactuals. Because I have drawn a "logical causal graph", I will call the operation which generates these counterfactuals a "logical do-operator" by analogy to the do-operator of CDT.

In ordinary CDT, it is impossible to observe a variable that is downstream of [...]

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Outline:

(00:39) Defining the logical do-operator

(04:24) Logical causality

(05:40) Causality as derived from a world model

(06:45) Logical inductors

(07:05) Algorithmic mutual information of heuristic arguments

(08:09) How does FDT interact with anthropic updating?

(09:48) Putting it together: An attempt at operationalizing FDT

(11:22) Appendix: Why bother with logical causality?

(17:51) Acknowledgements

The original text contained 10 footnotes which were omitted from this narration.

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First published:

March 13th, 2026

Source:

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/RyDkpWGLQsCnABE78/operationalizing-fdt

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Narrated by TYPE III AUDIO.

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