Oral Argument

Oral Argument

By Joe Miller and Christian TurnerSociety & CultureEducationPhilosophy
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Oral Argument episodes

  • Episode 187: Both Sides of the V

    Jocelyn Simonson returns to the show to wake us up to the many public interests on both sides (and no sides and all sides) in criminal cases. We discuss whether prosecutors are synonymous with "the People" and how a broader conception of "the People's" interests in criminal adjudication might suggest more robust public participation in the criminal process.

    • Jocelyn Simonson’s faculty profile and writing
    • Jocelyn Simonson, The Place of "the People" in Criminal Procedure
    • Oral Argument 95: Own the Block (guest Jocelyn Simonson)
    • Serial Season 3
    • Marie Gottschalk, Caught: The Prison State and the Lockdown of American Politics
    • Unsigned Note, The Paradox of "Progressive Prosecution"
    • Barry Friedman and Maria Ponomarenko, Democratic Policing
    • Laura Appleman, Defending the Jury
    • Jocelyn Simonson, The Criminal Court Audience in a Post-Trial World
    • Alexandra Natapoff, The Penal Pyramid
    • Carol Steiker, Tempering or Tampering? Mercy and the Administration of Criminal Justice
    • Special Guest: Jocelyn Simonson.

      1 hr 17 min
    • Episode 186: Ephemeral

      Exactly five years after our first show, we record a conversation on the ephemeral or perduring nature of podcasts and blogs, dockless scooters and local regulation, and viewer mail.

      1 hr 13 min
    • Episode 185: Embassy Suites

      Brexit, China, international trade, security, distribution, resentment, madness, and coffee with Tim Meyer.

      • Tim Meyer's faculty profile and writing
      • Oral Argument 105: Bismarck’s Raw Material (guest Tim Meyer)
      • Oral Argument 2: Bust a Deal, Face the Wheel (guest Tim Meyer)
      • Timothy Meyer and Ganesh Sitaraman, Trade and the Separation of Powers
      • Nicolas Lamp, How Should We Think about the Winners and Losers from Globalization? Three Narratives and Their Implications for the Redesign of International Economic Agreements
      • Special Guest: Tim Meyer.

        1 hr 27 min
      • Episode 184: Bleep that Bleep

        Here's your Thanksgiving Holiday episode, perfect for travel and your other holiday needs. If you listen only for law-related content, you'll probably want to skip to 01:17:16, where we somewhat casually discuss the controversy over whether the supposed Acting Attorney General was properly appointed. But we discuss many mailbag-related topics: the California fires and climate change (00:25), politeness and over-decorousness (8:53), how we imagine the mailbag and the miracles of pre-computer-age physical organization (11:06), how to find a good coffeeshop and the origins of "heyday" (22:15), our supposed bad taste in movies and our regard for certain consumer electronics (38:47), caselaw access and textbooks (55:44), seekers (59:44), markdown and word processing and the inevitable demise of Oral Argument (01:03:19), a discussion of the pretending Acting Attorney General and meltdowns and trainwrecks (01:17:16), podcast recommendations (01:33:30).

        • Mary Beard's Ultimate Rome
        • About Michael Mann
        • About The Story of Star Wars LP
        • Travis Bostick, Jóhann Jóhannsson, Mother!, and Sound Over Score
        • Caselaw Access Project; H2O
        • About Markdown
        • Oral Argument 11: Big Red Diesel, on Markdown and word processors
        • Ulysses and Byword
        • Bat Kid is cancer free
        • Jed Shugerman, Whitaker’s Appointment as Acting Attorney General Is Statutorily Illegal; Stephen Vladeck, Whitaker May Be a Bad Choice, but He’s a Legal One; Walter Dellinger and Marty Lederman, Initial Reactions to OLC’s Opinion on the Whitaker Designation as “Acting” Attorney General
        • Podcasts: Bag Man, Slow Burn, Serial (and Oral Argument 44: Serial), Feeding Us, Ipse Dixit
        • 1 hr 50 min
        • Episode 183: West Coast Model

          Episode 183: West Coast Model (guest Chris Elmendorf)

          Why is housing so expensive in major West Coast and northeastern cities? Not just more than you might want to pay, but, often, prohibitively expensive with little sign of new supply in areas people want to live. Chris Elmendorf joins us to explain this problem and the limited effectiveness of two types of solutions, the Northeastern and West Coast models. Drawing on the intergovernmental approach of the Voting Rights Act, Chris argues that a strong state role in reviewing the regulatory activities of local governments, if done in the right way, could be the way forward. And it points to a dramatic rethinking of how land use law should be made and what problems it should try to solve.

          This show’s links:

          • Chris Elmendorf's faculty profile and writing
          • Christopher Elmendorf, Beyond the Double Veto: Land Use Plans As Preemptive Intergovernmental Contracts
          • William Fischel, The Homevoter Hypothesis
          • Roderick Hills, Jr. and David Schleicher, Planning an Affordable City
          • Robert Ellickson, Suburban Growth Controls: An Economic and Legal Analysis
          • About Senate Bill 827
          • Text of Senate Bill 828
          • Special Guest: Chris Elmendorf.

            1 hr 34 min
          • Episode 182: An Editorial Board of Dodsonians

            The publication of legal scholarship is, compared with that in other academic disciplines, is, well, weird. Almost all legal journals are edited by students, and authors submit to many journals at once. We talk with Scott Dodson about his paper with law student and journal editor Jacob Hirsch. They elaborate a model code of conduct that could easily be implemented and would prevent some of the system's worst pathologies and bad behavior. We also have a little "post-roll."

            This show’s links:

            • Scott Dodson's faculty profile and writing
            • Scott Dodson and Jacob Hirsch, A Model Code of Conduct for Student-Edited Law-Journal Submissions
            • Oral Argument 96: Students as Means
            • Special Guest: Scott Dodson.

              1 hr 30 min
            • Episode 181: The Dragon

              We talk with our colleague Sandy Mayson about the use of algorithms in criminal law decisionmaking - and especially their troubling and difficult to disentangle incorporation of race. From bail to sentencing to policing effort to hiring and admitting to college, we subject different social groups to different risks of erroneous treatment, predicting, for example, that an individual is likely to commit another crime when in fact he or she will not reoffend. What should we do? Reject the use of algorithms - is that even possible? Attempt to "correct" the algorithms? Sandy teaches us about the difficulty of achieving algorithmic fairness.

              This show’s links:

              • Sandy Mayson's faculty profile and writing
              • Sandra Mayson, Bias In, Bias Out
              • Malcolm Feeley and Jonathan Simon, The New Penology: Notes on the Emerging Strategy of Corrections and Its Implications
              • Robert Martinson, What Works? Questions and Answers about Prison Reform
              • Adam Kolber, Punishment and Moral Risk
              • Douglas Husak, Kinds of Punishment; Douglas Husak, What Do Criminals Deserve?
              • Special Guest: Sandy Mayson.

                1 hr 15 min
              • Episode 180: Spectral

                Just Joe and Christian on: listener feedback (01:09), the Supreme Court confirmation crisis and constitutional structure (round one) (08:00), more feedback (17:16), reading glasses (36:10), Apple and Daring Fireball and caring (41:43), peak iPhone (52:34), and the current state of the Kavanaugh nomination, partisanship, and Supreme Court nominations generally (01:01:31).

                2 hr 11 min
              • Episode 179: Snowglobe

                Joe becomes the guest guest and Mike Madison the guest host, as we talk about Joe's new research into the web of law and what citations tell us about what law means. As one might expect for a show which is ostensibly about legal theory but actually, as all good argunauts know, an extended meditation on Being Joe, this is a very special episode of Oral Argument.

                This show’s links:

                • Joe Miller's faculty profile and writing
                • Mike Madison’s website, writing, and blog
                • Joseph Miller, Law's Semantic Self-Portrait: Discerning Doctrine with Co-Citation Networks and Keywords
                • Joseph Miller, Charting Supreme Court Patent Law, Near and Far; Joseph Miller, Which Supreme Court Cases Influenced Recent Supreme Court IP Decisions? A Citation Study
                • Charles Barzun, Three Forms of Legal Pragmatism
                • Andrew Green and Albert Yoon, Triaging the Law: Developing the Common Law on the Supreme Court of India
                • Frank Pasquale, A Rule of Persons, Not Machines: The Limits of Legal Automation
                • James Scott, Seeing Like a State
                • Special Guest: Mike Madison.

                  1 hr 27 min
                • Episode 178: Dear Bushrod

                  This week, it's the latest edition of "Things Haven't Always Been Like This". Farah Peterson teaches us about the judges of the early 1800s and their now-strange-seeming institutional world in which judging and legislating were less distinct and more collaborative.

                  This show’s links:

                  • Farah Peterson’s faculty profile
                  • Farah Peterson, Interpretation as Statecraft: Chancellor Kent and the Collaborative Era of American Statutory Interpretation
                  • Dark Sky (blog post)
                  • Siddhartha Mukherjee, The Emperor of All Maladies: A Biography of Cancer
                  • Oral Argument 168: Galaxy-Sized Diamond (with Maggie McKinley on petitioning in Congress)
                  • Richard Verdon, A Large Meteor
                  • Guido Calabresi, A Common Law for the Age of Statutes
                  • Special Guest: Farah Peterson.

                    1 hr 17 min

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