Oral Argument

Oral Argument

By Joe Miller and Christian TurnerSociety & CultureEducationPhilosophy
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Oral Argument episodes

  • Episode 167: Fingerprint

    A spur of the moment episode in which we discuss streaming music, public opinion, interpretation and precedent, war and peace, the legality of airstrikes, and the survival of our species.

    This show’s links:

    • None!
    • 1 hr 9 min
    • Episode 166: Brooding Omnipresence

      Do judges make law or find and apply it? Or both? Long ago, the realists seemingly won the argument that judging inevitably involves making law, not just identifying it. We talk with Stephen Sachs, who argues for the rehabilitation of the possibility that judges acting in good faith can indeed find the law. Will Stephen and Joe clash over what this means for Erie? You'll just have to listen to find out.

      This show’s links:

      • Stephen Sachs' faculty profile and writing
      • Stephen Sachs, Finding Law
      • Erie Railroad Co. v. Tompkins
      • Yes, I said "statistics," but I know it's Herbert Spencer, Social Statics
      • Felix Cohen, Transcendental Nonsense and the Functional Approach
      • Oral Argument 28: A Wonderfule Catastrophe (the one on Erie)
      • Special Guest: Stephen Sachs.

        1 hr 33 min
      • Episode 165: Raging Fire

        Late at night, mics dragged up by the fire, talking mailbag items on conversation, Banach spaces, mental models, the Facebook dumpster fire, and Christian's weird old tricks for managing your online world. Finally, Mr. Rogers and being better.

        This show’s links:

        • Larry Alexander, Constrained by Precedent
        • Scott Hershovitz, Integrity and Stare Decisis
        • Aaron Glantz and Emmanuel Martinez, For People of Color, Banks Are Shutting the Door to Homeownership
        • Zhigang Wei, Hugh McDonald, and Christine Coumarelos, Fines: Are Disadvantaged People at a Disadvantage?
        • Banach spaces
        • Christian Turner, Models of Law
        • Lawerence Solum, On the Indeterminacy Crisis: Critiquing Critical Dogma
        • Robert Cover, Violence and the Word
        • Ben Thompson, The Facebook Brand
        • Will Oremus, The Real Scandal Isn’t What Cambridge Analytica Did
        • Oral Argument 72: The Guinea Pig Problem (guest Michelle Meyer)
        • Matthew Yglesias, The Case Against Facebook
        • Nicholas Carlson, Well, These New Zuckerberg IMs Won't Help Facebook's Privacy Problems
        • Oral Argument 58: Obscurity Settings (guest Woody Hartzog)
        • The trailer for Won't You Be My Neighbor?
        • 1 hr 37 min
        • Episode 164: Post-Marks-Regime World

          What is the legal precedent following a decision of the Supreme Court that lacks a majority opinion? For a few decades, the meta-rule has been that such as case stands for the position of those justices "who concurred in the judgments on the narrowest grounds." Or has it? And could it? Richard Re joins us to discuss the problems of the Marks rule, the meaning of precedent, and ultimately the nature of our law. This problem will be confronted in the Supreme Court in the coming weeks.

          This show’s links:

          • Richard Re’s faculty profile and academic writing
          • Re's Judicata
          • Richard Re, Beyond the Marks Rule
          • Adam Steinman, Non-Majority Opinions and Biconditional Rules
          • Marks v. United States
          • SCOTUSblog page for Hughes v. United States
          • Richard's amicus brief in Hughes
          • Aro Mfg. Co. v. Convertible Top Replacement Co.: the 1961 decision and the 1964 decision
          • Justice Lewis Powell's papers on Marks from the The Lewis Powell Supreme Court Case Files at Washington and Lee University School of Law
          • Special Guest: Richard Re.

            1 hr 23 min
          • Episode 163: Woodshed

            We dive in to the mailbag and one other topic, discussing: nonsense, statutory interpretation and a rebuke to our prior discussion of it, the nature of podcasting, and public corruption by tweet. (No links this week.)

            1 hr 42 min
          • Episode 162: Wealth Gap (live at Georgia Law)

            Audiobooks, capital, banks, slavery, regulation, choice, racism, and the racial wealth gap. Mehrsa Baradaran joins the show for the fourth time to talk about her latest book. Recorded in front of a live audience at the University of Georgia School of Law.

            This show’s links:

            • Mehrsa Baradaran’s faculty profile and academic writing
            • Mehrsa Baradaran, The Color of Money: Black Banks and the Racial Wealth Gap
            • Barack Obama, The President's Role in Advancing Criminal Justice Reform
            • Ta-Nehisi Coates, We Were Eight Years in Power: An American Tragedy
            • Eric Foner, Reconstruction Updated Edition: America's Unfinished Revolution, 1863-1877 (see also Eric Foner, Why Reconstruction Matters (a brief but informative opinion essay))
            • Oral Argument 76: Brutality (guest Al Brophy)
            • Sendhil Mullainathan and Eldar Shafir, Scarcity: Why Having Too Little Means So Much
            • Mehrsa Baradaran, How the Other Half Banks: Exclusion, Exploitation, and the Threat to Democracy
            • Alfred Brophy, Reparations: Pro and Con
            • William Darity, Jr. and Dania Frank, The Economics of Reparations
            • Jamelle Bouie and Rebecca Onion, Reconstruction (a podcast from Slate)
            • Special Guest: Mehrsa Baradaran.

              55 min
            • Episode 161: Meta

              Scott Shapiro joins us to discuss how law relates to, well, everything. His article with David Plunkett argues that theorizing about the nature of law is a project to understand how talking and thinking about law fit into reality. But first, we talk with him about Twitter, writing, collaboration, Joe's innermost psyche, and more.

              This show’s links:

              • Scott Shapiro’s faculty profile and academic writing
              • Scott Shapiro, Legality
              • Oona Hathaway and Scott Shapiro, The Internationalists
              • Oral Argument 112: Quasi-Narrative (guest Simon Stern)
              • Scott Shapiro and David Plunkett, Law, Morality and Everything Else: General Jurisprudence as a Branch of Meta-Normative Inquiry
              • Special Guest: Scott Shapiro.

                1 hr 26 min
              • Episode 160: In the Barrel

                Steve Vladeck rejoins us on the law of civilian-military separation, whether Marbury v. Madison was rightly decided, and how his recent oral argument before the Supreme Court went (spoiler: amazingly but weirdly). (Ignore Christian's use of the term "basises" (wtf?) and other misstatements and inanities ... you try recording ever week between classes....)

                This show’s links:

                • Steve Vladeck’s faculty profile and academic writing
                • The National Security Law Podcast 54: Family Ties or Family Matters?
                • First Mondays OT2017 #12: False Idol (guest Steve Vladeck)
                • SCOTUSblog page for Dalmazzi v. United States (including links to all the briefs and more)
                • The oral argument: Oyez version, SCOTUS downloads, and transcript
                • Oral Argument 137: Steve Vladeck Pincer Move (where we discussed Dalmazzi at the cert stage)
                • Burns v. Wilson
                • Marbury v. Madison
                • William Baude, Exciting Developments in Supreme Court Appellate Jurisdiction:
                • Some Would Call It the Second Coming of Marbury v. Madison
                • United States v. Coe
                • ex parte Bollman and Swartwout
                • Akhil Amar, Marbury, Section 13, and the Original Jurisdiction of the Supreme Court
                • Louise Weinberg, Our Marbury
                • Felker v. Turpin; see also Oral Argument 84: Felker's Chickens
                • United States v. Gray
                • Special Guest: Steve Vladeck.

                  1 hr 4 min
                • Episode 159: Magical

                  Live to tape, we discuss viewer mail, Tolkien, laptops, and (kind of) a couple of SCOTUS cases.

                  This show’s links:

                  • Foundations of American Law (an undergraduate course created by Christian, featuring a textbook and companion podcast series with Christian and Joe)
                  • Legal Theory 101 (Christian's introductory course to legal philosophy, featuring a reading list (with links) and a companion podcast series)
                  • 1 hr 16 min
                  • Episode 158: Ethical Form of Life

                    We find ourselves in a moment of untruth. Our guest, Brad Wendel, talks with us about political and legal truth and their relation to morality and social roles.

                    This show’s links:

                    • Brad Wendel's faculty profile and writing
                    • W. Bradley Wendel, Truthfulness as an Ethical Form of Life
                    • Harry Frankfurt, On Bullshit
                    • Bernard Williams, Saint-Just's Illusion (also here)
                    • Kleindienst v. Mandel
                    • Stephen Colbert, The Word: Truthiness (video from the first episode of the Colbert Report, and it's still unbelievably great)
                    • International Refugee Assistance Project v. Trump (4th Circuit en banc)
                    • Ninth Circuit's denial of en banc consideration in Washington v. Trump (containing Judge Bybee's dissent)
                    • State Bar of Michigan, Informal Ethics Opinion CI-1164
                    • Bernard Williams, Truth and Truthfulness
                    • Cynthia Farina, et al., Rulemaking in 140 Characters or Less:
                    • Social Networking and Public Participation in Rulemaking
                    • Whole Woman's Health v. Hellerstedt
                    • W. Bradley Wendel, Sally Yates, Ronald Dworkin, and the Best View of the Law
                    • Fireside
                    • 1 hr 17 min

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