Oral Argument

Oral Argument

By Joe Miller and Christian TurnerSociety & CultureEducationPhilosophy
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Oral Argument episodes

  • Episode 157: Blocked

    Holiday nonsense show part 2: on the upcoming Supreme Court arguments Dalmazzi v. United States, millennials and the punishing U.S. economic system, the presidency and the popular vote, and expertise and Twitter.

    This show’s links:

    • SCOTUSblog page for Dalmazzi v. United States
    • In That Case podcast
    • Michael Hobbes, FML: Why Millennials Are Facing the Scariest Financial Future of Any Generation Since the Great Depression
    • Carissa Byrne Hessick, Towards a Series of Academic Norms for #Lawprof Twitter
    • Oral Argument 89: Adequacy (guest Josh Weishart)
    • Oral Argument 42: Shotgun Aphasia (guest Orin Kerr)
    • How to Block Accounts on Twitter
    • 1 hr 27 min
    • Episode 156: Cheap Shot from the Cheap Seats

      Holiday nonsense show part 1: on compressors, the UFOs, nominations of trial judges without trial experience, feuds, listener Brian's question about our evolving balance of optimism and pessimism, listener Andrew's pointing out the public nudity and sex discrimination case Tagami v. City of Chicago, listener Joel's new podcast, the self, our show, conversation and other minds and double escape, humility, art and wilderness.

      This show’s links:

      • The link to access all topics discussed on this week's show
      • In That Case podcast
      • 1 hr 15 min
      • Episode 155: Presidential Utterance

        How do presidents affect the law when they speak? Should courts consider what they say, defer to what they say, and find governmental intentions in what they say? What if a president says one thing, perhaps improvising during a speech, and an official communication of an agency, the Justice Department, or the White House says another? Kate Shaw joins us to talk about her theory that generally (but not always) courts should ignore presidential statements that are not consciously intended to stake out a legal position. Obviously, there's an 800-pound, tweeting gorilla in the corner of the room.

        This show’s links:

        • Kate Shaw's faculty profile and writing
        • Kate Shaw, Beyond the Bully Pulpit: Presidential Speech in the Courts
        • Jeffrey Tulis, The Rhetorical Presidency
        • Peter Strauss, Overseer or "The Decider"? The President in Administrative Law
        • Elena Kagan, Presidential Administration
        • Oral argument in the Fourth Circuit in International Refugee Assistance Project v. Trump (Muslim ban 3.0)
        • Kathryn Watts, Controlling Presidential Control
        • Jack Goldsmith, Will Donald Trump Destroy the Presidency?
        • Special Guest: Kate Shaw.

          1 hr 20 min
        • Episode 154: Third Place

          Sara Schindler returns to the show to talk about the phenomenon and problems of privately owned, publicly open spaces. We start, though, with a brief conversation about art and sexism. Then (12:23), we turn to Sarah's paper. What are POPOS? How are they created? Are they parks on the cheap or amenities of private businesses? Whether it's Balinese chanting in a corporate atrium, places to fly kites, or a spot to meet a new friend, we all need our third places.

          This show’s links:

          • Sarah Schindler's faculty profile and writing
          • Sarah Schindler, The 'Publicization' of Private Space
          • Oral Argument 54: Folly Bridges (an episode we did with Sarah about her paper, Architectural Exclusion: Discrimination and Segregation Through Physical Design of the Built Environment)
          • Oral Argument 63: A Struggle with Every Single One (guest Jessica Owley)
          • Special Guest: Sarah Schindler.

            1 hr 11 min
          • Episode 153: Shall Be Reduced

            Constitutional and election law expert Franita Tolson joins us to talk about a little-known section of one of the most well-known parts of the Constitution. The Fourteenth Amendment grants rights enforceable against states, not just against the federal government. And it gives Congress a role in enforcing those rights. But did you know that it also provides an apparently severe and mandatory remedy for abridgments by states of the right to vote? You will.

            This show’s links:

            • Franita Tolson's faculty profile and writing
            • Franita Tolson, What is Abridgment?: A Critique of Two Section Twos
            • Luther v. Borden (disclaiming power under the Constitution to identify which of two rival factions was the government of Rhode Island); see also Erwin Chemerinsky, Cases Under the Guarantee Clause Should Be Justiciable
            • Sharrow v. Brown at footnote 9, for an example of a court wrestling with the seemingly mandatory language of section two's reduction formula
            • Shelby County v. Holder
            • Special Guest: Franita Tolson.

              1 hr 18 min
            • Episode 152: Replication

              We talk with Greg Klass about the use of recent empirical studies to aid in the restatement of the law of consumer contracts - the one-sided, unread "agreements" that are ubiquitous in modern life. The conversation covers the purpose of restatements, the methodology of empirical legal scholarship, and more.

              This show’s links:

              • Greg Klass's faculty profile and writing
              • Greg Klass, A Critical Assessment of the Empiricism in the Restatement of Consumer Contract Law
              • Oral Argument 133: Too Many Darn Radio Buttons (guest Jim Gibson)
              • John Gruber, Apple to Release Software Update to Solve iOS 11 Issue When Typing the Letter "I"
              • About the ALI's draft Restatement of Consumer Contracts
              • Oren Bar-Gill, Omri Ben-Shahar, and Florencia Marotta-Wurgler, Searching for the Common Law: The Quantitative Approach of the Restatement of Consumer Contracts
              • Florencia Marotta-Wurgler, Does Contract Disclosure Matter?; Yannis Bakos, Florencia Marotta-Wurgler, David Trossen, Does Anyone Read the Fine Print? Consumer Attention to Standard Form Contracts
              • Arthur Leff, Contract as Thing
              • William Baude, Adam Chilton, and Anup Malani, Making Doctrinal Work More Rigorous: Lessons from Systematic Reviews
              • Gregory Klass and Kathryn Zeiler, Against Endowment Theory: Experimental Economics and Legal Scholarship
              • Special Guest: Greg Klass.

                1 hr 36 min
              • Episode 151: Hungry Ghosts

                We talk with Dave Fagundes about sharing, abandoning, and property law's role in promoting happiness. Topics include the usual nonsense, notions of happiness, consumption and acquisition, charity, and home ownership.

                This show’s links:

                • Dave Fagundes's faculty profile and writing
                • David Fagundes, Why Less Property Is More: Inclusion, Dispossession, and Subjective Well-Being
                • About Life Is Beautiful
                • About Marie Kondo
                • David Fagundes, Buying Happiness: Property, Acquisition, and Subjective Well-Being
                • Roger Crisp's entry on Well-Being in the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (including discussions of Bentham's notion and preferentist accounts)
                • About Mr. Burns, character from The Simpsons
                • Rebecca Solnit, The Loneliness of Donald Trump
                • Juliet Schor and William Attwood-Charles, The Sharing Economy: Labor, Inequality and Sociability on For-Profit Platforms
                • David Fagundes, The Social Norms of Waiting in Line
                • Oral Argument 150: Shutting Down Hal (guest Christina Mulligan); Christina Mulligan, Revenge Against Robots
                • Lior Strahilevitz, The Right to Abandon
                • Eduardo Peñalver, The Illusory Right to Abandon
                • Aaron Perzanowski and Jason Schultz, The End of Ownership
                • Joshua Fairfield, Owned: Property, Privacy, and the New Digital Serfdom
                • Special Guest: Dave Fagundes.

                  1 hr 29 min
                • Episode 150: Shutting Down Hal

                  We talk with Christina Mulligan about the salutary effects of smashing robots that have wronged you. Join us for a chat about revenge and satisfaction in the emerging human-robot social space.

                  This show’s links:

                  • Christina Mulligan's faculty profile and writing
                  • Christina Mulligan, Revenge Against Robots
                  • About Betty Smith's A Tree Grows in Brooklyn
                  • About the Tree that Owns Itself
                  • The Trial of the Autun Rats
                  • Oral Argument 70: No Drones in the Park
                  • Scott Hershovitz, Tort as a Substitute for Revenge
                  • Kate Darling, Palash Nandy, and Cynthia Breazeal, Empathic Concern and the Effect of Stories in Human-Robot Interaction; Kate Darling, "Who's Johnny?" Anthropomorphic Framing in Human-Robot Interaction, Integration, and Policy
                  • Office Space, the printer scene (nsfw)
                  • Hunter Walk, Amazon Echo Is Magical. It’s Also Turning My Kid into an Asshole.
                  • Hannah Gold, This Mirror that Forces People to Smile Is Going to Piss Everyone Off
                  • Special Guest: Christina Mulligan.

                    1 hr 22 min
                  • Episode 149: We've Been Given the Finger (Live at the Tech Law Institute)

                    We returned this week to the annual Tech Law Institute meeting in Atlanta. We talk about data, law, and society: Joe and Christian's fight over data on the way to the conference, a new Supreme Court case involving cloud data and international boundaries, and the decisions that technology will force us to make. (Thanks to Jacob Davis for helping us provide written materials for the conference!)

                    This show’s links:

                    • SCOTUSblog page on United States v. Microsoft (including links to the petitions for cert and the Second Circuit's panel opinion)
                    • Paul Schwartz, Legal Access to Cloud Information: Data Shards, Data Localization, and Data Trusts
                    • The National Security Law Podcast 41: Han Shot First (featuring discussion of the United States v. Microsoft)
                    • Jennifer Daskal, There's No Good Decision in the Next Big Data Privacy Case
                    • SCOTUSblog page on Carpenter v. United States
                    • Oral Argument 42: Shotgun Aphasia (guest Orin Kerr) (discussing Orin Kerr, An Equilibrium-Adjustment Theory of the Fourth Amendment)
                    • 55 min
                    • Episode 148: The People of Puerto Rico

                      We talk with appellate lawyer Chris Landau who represented Puerto Rico in two cases before the Supreme Cost last term. We focus on one of them, in which Puerto Rican criminal convictions were challenged on double jeopardy grounds: that Puerto Rico could not prosecute the defendants because they had already been convicted in federal court on essentially the same charges. This in turn depends on whether Puerto Rico has the same separate sovereign status as the states, whether it itself is the source of its laws or whether the United States is always a silent but superior authority. At bottom this case raised questions about the very identity of this island nation. In the wake of a devastating hurricane and a controversial federal response, we talk about law and sovereign identity - in our usual fashion, going between theory, pragmatic litigation issues, and, in this case, a complicated and fascinating history.

                      This show’s links:

                      • Christopher Landau's profile
                      • SCOTUSblog page on Commonwealth of Puerto Rico v. Sánchez Valle (including links to the briefs, opinion, and oral argument)
                      • Brian Resnick and Eliza Barclay, What Every American Needs to Know about Puerto Rico’s Hurricane Disaster
                      • Ediberto Roman, Empire Forgotten: The United States's Colonization of Puerto Rico
                      • About the Insular Cases (including the list of the cases often included in this description)
                      • Joseph Blocher and G. Mitu Gulati, Puerto Rico and the Right of Accession
                      • Matthew Yglesias, The Jones Act, the Obscure 1920 Shipping Regulation Strangling Puerto Rico, Explained
                      • Special Guest: Christopher Landau.

                        1 hr 44 min

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