Oral Argument

Oral Argument

By Joe Miller and Christian TurnerSociety & CultureEducationPhilosophy
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Oral Argument episodes

  • Episode 147: Busting Famine

    Just Joe and Christian, coming to you after a terrible week. We talk guns, ex-Judge Posner's book and humility, the right rules for disabled stoplights, the closing of a coffeehouse, and airplane seat reclining behavior.

    This show’s links:

    • Oral Argument 101: Tug of War
    • Richard Posner, Reforming the Federal Judiciary
    • Steven Lubet, Richard Posner, Unedited (Part One)
    • Zoran Tasic, Reforming Richard Posner
    • Oral Argument 32: Go Figure (on Judge Posner's gay marriage opinion in Baskin) and Oral Argument 131: Because of Sex (featuring discussion with Anthony Kreis about Judge Posner's Hively opinion)
    • WINIR
    • How do you pronounce Utrecht?
    • The Perfect Cappuccino
    • Two Story's Last Day in Five Points (including a photo of Christian with the shop's last cap)
    • Christian Turner, The Cost of Foregone Biergartens
    • Oral Argument 31: Knee Defender (and see episode 32, above, for more knee defender discussion)
    • Christopher Buccafusco and Christopher Jon Sprigman, How to Resolve Fights over Reclining Airplane Seats: Use Behavioral Economics
    • 1 hr 4 min
    • Episode 146: Somehow in the Middle

      With Charles Barzun, we discuss Justice Souter and the nature of legal justification. But we take the long way around to get there, starting with some of Souter’s opinions, moving on to philosophy – the nature of moral reasoning and its relation to fact and intuition – and then back to legal theory and Charles’s insight concerning Justice Souter’s jurisprudence.

      This show’s links:

      • Charles Barzun’s faculty profile and writing
      • Charles Barzun, Justice Souter’s Common Law
      • Justice Souter’s discussion of Plessy and the role of history in judging (watch from minute one until about minute fourteen) and his Harvard Commencement speech on Plessy
      • Some Souter opinions Joe loves: Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music, Markman v. Westview Instruments, and California Dental Assoc. v. Federal Trade Commission
      • Old Chief v. United States; Oyez’s Old Chief page, including links to the oral argument and hand-down
      • Planned Parenthood v. Casey; Oyez’s Casey page, including links to the oral argument and hand-down
      • John Burnett, Border Patrol Arrests Parents While Infant Awaits Serious Operation
      • Noah Feldman’s Constitution Day interview of Justice Souter
      • Special Guest: Charles Barzun.

        1 hr 27 min
      • Episode 145: The Skeleton

        Back after a long hiatus, we talk about Joe’s latest work on patent law and Supreme Court citations networks. Opening a banana, the opening of corpse flowers, the eclipse, news non-roundup, DACA and naming, and, finally, Joe’s paper, examining the steep increase in patent cases before the Supreme Court over the last two decades by mapping citation networks among intellectual property cases, at 20:02.

        This show’s links:

        • Joseph Miller, Which Supreme Court Cases Influenced Recent Supreme Court IP Decisions? A Citation Study
        • How to peel a banana
        • Three Corpse Flowers Bloomed at USBG in 2017
        • Fred Espenak, Periodicity of Solar Eclipses
        • About Predestination (which is based on All You Zombies by Robert Heinlein) (Warning: Do Not Read the Plot Summary, just see the movie)
        • About Saturday morning cartoon preview specials
        • About the Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit
        • Court Listener’s Supreme Court Citation Networks tool
        • Scott Dodson and Colin Starger, Mapping Supreme Court Doctrine: Civil Pleading (Starger’s other papers on SSRN trace NFIB and Windsor)
        • 1 hr 28 min
        • Episode 144: Path of Totality

          We ramble about various non-law things. Maybe this will become the first installment of our annual beach episode series, in which we casually let it all hang out and take a vacation from law. We'll be back in a couple of weeks with the usual nonsense, rather than this unusual nonsense.

          2 hr 7 min
        • Episode 143: The Gak

          More than the usual nonsense and sniffles as we try to empty the mailbag. Note: Because of a massive gap between time available and time required to edit out the gak, this episode contains many more than the average number of sniffles and echoes. We tried to fire the editor responsible but learned he was one of us, unpaid, and would either be able to release this episode as is or not at all. Religion and American policy (6:19), a chrono-completist suggests a show topic (10:51), on sex discrimination (14:08), incentives for creation (22:16), boilerplate and terms of service (27:04), antitrust and big data (28:50), boilerplate and the FyreFestival (36:59), boilerplate and arbitration and class actions and airline passengers (38:43), ye ole 1x vs. 2x debate and binge-watching/listening (45:35), Asher Steinberg on the major question exception to Chevron (51:21), self-promotion (52:30), “research” not equal to “to search again”(54:03), Grimmelman’s Property Course and IP and the bar exam (57:14), ethicists and the morality of expedited review (1:03:34), return to the place of the constitutional law course (1:06:22), the limited role of books on the web (1:11:47), cosplay (1:13:40), Joel’s article (1:14:22), the politicization of the U.S. Supreme Court and its appointments compared to other countries and more on the Crossover episode (1:15:01), argument in the monkey selfie case (1:23:15), Wonder Woman and Star Trek vs. Star Wars (1:25:06).

          This show’s links:

          • Oral Argument 101: Tug of War (on gun violence)
          • Oral Argument 131: Because of Sex (guest Anthony Kreis on sex discrimination)
          • Oral Argument 28: A Wonderful Catastrophe (on Joe’s favorite case(s))
          • Oral Argument 132: The Soul of Music (guest Joe Fishman on copyright in music)
          • Nicholas Georgakopoulos, The Logic of Securities Law
          • Oral Argument 133: Too Many Darn Radio Buttons (guest Jim Gibson on boilerplate in contracts)
          • HBO, Silicon Valley: Terms of Service; see also Nick Statt, HBO’s Silicon Valley Wades into a Heated Debate about Privacy Policies
          • From The Economist, no byline: The World’s Most Valuable Resource Is No Longer Oil, but Data
          • Oral Argument 139: It’s All the Stacey Show (guest Stacey Dogan on competition law and IP)
          • About the Fyre Festival
          • Jens David Ohlin, United Airlines’ Own Contract Denied It Any Right to Remove Passenger
          • Asher Steinberg, Another Addition to the Chevron Anticanon: Judge Kavanaugh on the “Major Rules” Doctrine
          • Oral Argument 135: Alexandria (guest James Grimmelman on the Google Books settlement and other things)
          • Crabbe's English Synonymes [sic], Centennial Edition (1917), at p. 228 (“re” as intensive)
          • Oral Argument 61: Minimum Competence (guest Derek Muller on the bar exam)
          • Oral Argument 96: Students as Means
          • George Bodarky, How New York’s Roosevelt Island Sucks Away Summer Trash Stink
          • Joel Townsend, Adequacy of Risk Assessment in the Exercise of the Character Cancellation Power under the Migration Act 1958 (Cth) (abstract public, paper behind a paywall)
          • Oral Argument 134: Crossover (with the hosts of First Mondays)
          • The oral argument in Naruto v. Slater (the monkey selfie case at 1:46:00 in the video)
          • Oral Argument 141: The Picard Meltdown Principle (guest Leah Litman)
          • Oral Argument 142: Normativity (guest Jeffrey Kaplan)
          • 1 hr 37 min
          • Episode 142: Normativity

            Jeffrey Kaplan joins us to discuss his work in philosophy on the nature of law, law’s connection to morality, and the way law gives us reasons to follow it. We discuss the connection with Christian’s work and also succeed (wildly but sporadically) in providing the usual nonsense.

            This show’s links:

            • Jeffrey Kaplan’s webpage
            • First Mondays
            • Summary Judgment
            • Jeffrey Kaplan, Attitude and the Normativity of Law
            • Christian Turner, Models of Law
            • Christian Turner, Legal Theory 101 (note the links and episodes on Hart, Dworkin, Fuller, Shapiro, and Hershovitz
            • Scott Hershovitz, The End of Jurisprudence
            • Stephen Perry, Hart on Social Rules and the Foundations of Law: Liberating the Internal Point of View
            • Scott Shapiro, The Planning Theory of Law
            • David Plunkett and Scott Shapiro, Law, Morality and Everything Else: General Jurisprudence as a Branch of Meta-Normative Inquiry
            • Brian Tamanaha, A Realistic Theory of Law
            • Brian Tamanaha, Necessary and Universal Truths About Law?
            • Anil Seth, Your Brain Hallucinates Your Conscious Reality (TED Talk)
            • 1 hr 20 min
            • Episode 141: The Picard Meltdown Principle

              Leah Litman joins us to discuss the problematic argument that a law’s novelty is a reason to believe it is unconstitutional. In particular, she focuses on arguments that statutes that affect the separation of powers or the federalism balance are suspect if they are somehow unprecedented. Also, brief updates on: a wasp, Joe’s living situation, Christian’s health, Leah’s bee-related flight delay.

              This show’s links:

              • Leah Litman’s faculty profile and writing
              • Leah Litman, Debunking Antinovelty
              • First Mondays
              • United States v. Windsor; Romer v. Evans
              • Printz v. United States; Free Enterprise Fund v. PCAOB; NFIB v. Sibelius (Obamacare I)
              • Cass Sunstein, Incompletely Theorized Agreements
              • PHH Corp. v. Consumer Financial Protection Bureau
              • Karl Llewellyn, The Bramble Bush: On Our Law and Its Study
              • Special Guest: Leah Litman.

                1 hr 21 min
              • Episode 140: Decider

                If the president does it, is it automatically legal? Of course not, but why not? How is the president constrained by law? Daphna Renan joins us to talk about the structures within the Executive Branch and the attitudes toward them that define what the legal constraints presidents create for themselves. From the post-Watergate efforts to create independent and legalistic sources of Marbury-like trumps on presidential prerogative to today’s chaos, Daphna explores the many design choices between formality and informality, centralization and diffusion, and independence and control. Also the normal nonsense.

                This show’s links:

                • Daphna Renan’s faculty profile and writing
                • Daphna Renan, The Law Presidents Make
                • About the Office of Legal Counsel, the White House Counsel, and the Solicitor General
                • Jeremy Waldron, Separation of Powers in Thought and Practice?
                • Jack Goldsmith, The Terror Presidency: Law and Judgment Inside the Bush Administration
                • Special Guest: Daphna Renan.

                  1 hr 15 min
                • Episode 139: It’s All the Stacey Show

                  IP expert Stacey Dogan joins us to discuss: the merits and demerits of trademark law, values and stock characters of IP, non-interference and design choice, antitrust and IP optimists and skeptics, BU’s new clinics and collaborations with MIT for law and innovation.

                  This show’s links:

                  • Stacey Dogan’s faculty profile and writing
                  • Barton Beebe, Intellectual Property Law and the Sumptuary Code
                  • Smith v. Chanel
                  • Stacey Dogan and Mark Lemley, Parody as Brand
                  • Stacey Dogan, The Role of Design Choice in Intellectual Property and Antitrust Law
                  • INS v. AP, Berkey Photo v. Eastman Kodak, Sony Corp. v. Universal City Studios, and MGM v. Grokster
                  • About the Microsoft Antitrust Litigation
                  • Kim Zetter, Federal Judge Throws out Gag Order Against Boston Students in Subway Case
                  • Peter Dizikes, New Legal Program to Support Students
                  • About the BU School of Law’s Entrepreneurship and Intellectual Property Clinic
                  • And about the school’s Technology and Cyberlaw Clinic
                  • Special Guest: Stacey Dogan.

                    1 hr 3 min
                  • Episode 138: Crackdowns

                    CRACKDOWN TIME, with Mila Sohoni! Whatever the law says in the books, it is felt by all of us when it is enforced. How should we think about a sudden change in enforcement priorities that cracks down on some allegedly bad thing? Mila helps us to understand the many reasons agents might have to crack down. From sudden, strict, money-raising speed-limit enforcement to rounding up minorities. We discuss connection with interpretation and “islands of simple literalism,” the role of judges in holding and rhetoric. And speed traps return!

                    This show’s links:

                    • Mila Sohoni’s faculty profile and writing
                    • Mila Sohoni, Crackdowns
                    • Bond v. United States and Yates v. United States
                    • Judge Reinhardt’s concurrence in Ortiz v. Sessions
                    • Jed Rakoff, The Financial Crisis: Why Have No High-Level Executives Been Prosecuted?
                    • Enquist v. Oregon Department of Agriculture
                    • About the Devil’s Advocate
                    • Zachary Price, Reliance on Nonenforcement (see also his Washington Post op-ed Could the Trump Administration Entrap Dreamers?)
                    • Special Guest: Mila Sohoni.

                      1 hr 8 min

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