In this episode, Molly dives headfirst into a topic she’s wanted an excuse to explore for a long time: wolves. Sparked by reading American Wolf and going deep on the history of wolf eradication and reintroduction in the U.S., this conversation looks at how we got here and why the debate around wolves feels so charged.
Molly sits down with Francisco Santiago-Ávila, Science & Advocacy Director at Washington Wildlife First, to unpack wolves through the lens of science, ethics, and policy. Together they explore what actually happens when wolves return to an ecosystem, where common narratives around ranching, hunting, and conservation fall apart, and how decision-making around public lands often benefits powerful interests while pitting everyday stakeholders against one another.
This isn’t a conversation about picking sides or pretending coexistence is easy. Livestock losses are real. People’s livelihoods matter. But we’ve already seen what happens when wolves are erased entirely, and the consequences of that choice still shape our landscapes today.
This episode kicks off a broader series focused on asking better questions, talking to people with real stakes in the issue, and slowing the conversation down enough to actually understand what’s at play. Thoughtful, curious, and grounded in lived experience, this is a starting point, not a conclusion.