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Summary
Cait Donovan is one of the most recognized voices in the burnout recovery space. As the founder and host of FRIED -- The Burnout Podcast, a top 1 % global podcast with over 300 episodes, Cait has spent years helping high-achieving individuals understand that burnout is not a personal failure, but a call to action. A licensed acupuncturist, keynote speaker, and author of "The Bouncebackability Factor"
Cait brings a rare blend of Eastern medicine wisdom, neuroscience, organizational psychology, and hard-won personal experience to her work. She holds degrees in bio-behavioral health and traditional Chinese medicine and has supported thousands of individuals, leaders, and organizations through burnout recovery and sustainable performance.
Through her advisory consultancy, Burn Bold, Cait works at the intersection of human capacity and organizational design, helping companies reduce burnout not by asking people to do more, but by fixing the mismatches that drain energy in the first place. Cait's work has been featured in Forbes, Oprah Magazine, Thrive Global, and Elephant Journal. And FRIED has evolved through 11 plus seasons from focusing on individual burnout recovery to exploring workplace stress, leadership, and systemic cultural change.
In this episode, Cait shares her personal journey through burnout, and discusses its root causes, and recovery strategies. This is a fascinating conversation that touches on the systemic, environmental, and internal factors can help us all prevent and recover from burnout effectively.
Keywords
burnout, stress management, organizational mismatch, interoception, resilience, systemic causes, recovery, mental health, workplace stress, personal development
Key topics
Root causes of burnout
Systemic and environmental mismatches
Interoception and self-awareness
Resilience and recovery strategies
Sound bites
"It is literally impossible that this was your fault."
"You're not broken. You're mismatched."
"Ride the wave. This is gonna end up real good for you."
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Burnout Recovery and Cait Donovan
01:52 Personal Journey: From Acupuncturist to Burnout Expert
06:06 Understanding Burnout: The Awakening
11:44 The Web of Causation of Burnout
19:06 Exploring the Root Causes of Burnout
24:59 The Importance of Environment in Burnout Recovery
30:56 Understanding Burnout Recovery
34:52 Building Resilience and Asking for Help
38:21 The Importance of Interoception
42:58 Identifying Workplace Mismatches
47:46 Cultural Shifts in Burnout Conversations
52:54 Final Thoughts on Burnout Awareness
57:23 Strategies for Overcoming Burnout
resources
FRIED - The Burnout Podcast - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fried-the-burnout-podcast/id1476796444
Cait Donovan's Website - https://caitdonovan.com
Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/caitdonovan/
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Summary
Dr. Sasha Shillcutt is a cardiac anesthesiologist, entrepreneur, author, and international speaker. As the founder of Legacy Collective and Brave Enough, she has led sold-out women’s leadership events worldwide, coached thousands of women, and built a global community dedicated to connection and growth. Featured in Forbes and more, Sasha is a TEDx speaker, two-time author, and host of The Brave Enough Show podcast with over 400K downloads.
In this inspiring episode, Dr. Sasha Shillcutt shares her personal journey through burnout, the importance of setting boundaries, and building community among women in medicine. Discover practical insights on overcoming burnout, embracing authenticity, and creating supportive networks to thrive both professionally and personally.
Keywords
burnout, women in medicine, boundaries, community, self-care, Enneagram, leadership, mental health, professional growth, resilience
Key topics
Personal journey through burnout
The importance of boundaries and saying no
Building supportive community for women in medicine
Using the Enneagram for self-awareness and growth
Takeaways
Sound bites
"Burnout is a wake-up call, not a destination."
"You are the person that can say enough is enough."
"Grace is the hardest to give ourselves."
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Dr. Sasha Shillcutt
01:04 The Journey of Burnout
02:52 Understanding Overachieving vs. Overfunctioning
09:54 The Impact of Trauma on High Achievers
16:28 Burnout as a Wake-Up Call
20:29 Recognizing Red Flags of Burnout
24:00 The Importance of Boundaries
25:47 Understanding Burnout and Internal Boundaries
28:36 The Cycle of Burnout and Self-Reflection
30:47 Building Community and Connection
32:25 Creating a Supportive Environment for Women
35:28 The Importance of Authenticity and Self-Discovery
41:39 Embracing Grace and Self-Compassion
Guest Links:
Becoming Brave Enough Website - https://becomebravenough.com
Brave Boundaries Book by Dr. Sasha Shillcutt - https://www.amazon.com/Brave-Boundaries-Setting-Healthy-Relationships/dp/XXXXXX
Website - https://becomebravenough.com
Instagram - https://instagram.com/drsashashillcutt
Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/company/becomebraveenough/
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Sign up for your 1:1 SOS Session and Step Out of Survival Mode! https://drzarya.myflodesk.com/
Listen to my TEDx talk about my burnout story: https://bit.ly/TEDxBurnout
Learn more: https://drzarya.com
Follow along on IG: https://instagram.com/drzaryarubin
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Keywords
perimenopause, relationships, marriage, burnout, hormone health, divorce rates, mental health, communication, education, support
Summary
In this enlightening conversation, Dr. Zarya Rubin and Brooke Davis, marriage and menopause expert, delve into the often-overlooked intersection of perimenopause and relationships. Brooke shares her personal journey of navigating hormonal changes and their profound impact on her marriage, highlighting the lack of education surrounding women's health in medical training. They discuss the rising divorce rates among women in midlife, the importance of communication and support in relationships, and the societal pressures that exacerbate these challenges. The episode emphasizes the need for understanding, compassion, and proactive measures to maintain healthy relationships during this transformative phase of life.
Takeaways
Sound bites
"This is a hot topic right now for women."
"It's time to be loud, ladies."
"We're not accepting this anymore."
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Perimenopause and Relationships
02:39 Brooke's Journey into Understanding Perimenopause
05:41 The Impact of Hormonal Changes on Relationships
08:32 Divorce Rates and Relationship Challenges During Midlife
11:32 The Importance of Education in Healthcare for Women
14:28 Navigating Stress and Burnout in Perimenopause
17:23 The Intersection of Hormones and Mental Health
20:18 Supportive Partnerships During Perimenopause
22:59 The Role of Communication in Relationships
25:55 Coping with Identity Shifts in Midlife
28:48 Navigating Societal Pressures and Misogyny
31:29 The Importance of Understanding Desire in Relationships
34:14 Building Supportive Relationships During Change
37:18 The Future of Relationships and Gender Dynamics
40:02 Rapid Fire Round and Final Thoughts
Connect with Brooke:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marriageinperimenopause/
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Connect with Dr. Zarya Rubin:
Sign up for your 1:1 SOS Session and Step Out of Survival Mode! https://drzarya.myflodesk.com/
Listen to my TEDx talk about my burnout story: https://bit.ly/TEDxBurnout
Learn more: https://drzarya.com
Follow along on IG: https://instagram.com/drzaryarubin
Download your FREE Outsmart Burnout Toolkit: https://drzarya.myflodesk.com/outsmartburnouttoolkit
Summary
In this insightful episode, Dr. Zarya Rubin interviews Alison Marras, a functional nutritional therapist gut health expert, about the complex relationship between diet, stress, and autoimmune health. They explore practical strategies for healing, the gut-brain connection, and overcoming food-related anxiety to achieve better health and well-being.
Keywords
gut health, autoimmune, stress, diet, healing, autoimmune disease, gut-brain connection, burnout, autoimmune protocol, mindful eating
Sound bites
"I felt like a stranger in my own body"
"Digestion begins in the brain"
"Celebrate your wins and trust your body"
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Alison Marras and her journey
01:33 Alison’s early health struggles and diagnosis of Hashimoto’s
04:07 The role of diet and lifestyle in healing autoimmune conditions
07:14 Understanding food sensitivities and the relationship with stress
10:42 The importance of mindful eating and the Slowdown Diet
13:09 The significance of digestion starting in the brain
19:22 Practical tips for making healthy eating easier
22:18 The gut-brain connection and its influence on health
26:24 Perfectionism, control, and their impact on health and healing
30:16 Shifting from control to trust in your healing journey
33:05 Success stories: remission, pregnancy, and transformation
34:46 Simple meal prep strategies for busy, burnt-out individuals
36:21 Favorite foods, guilty pleasures, and myth-busting about diet
39:46 Essential kitchen ingredients and the importance of quality salt and olive oil
40:44 Final thoughts on stress, resilience, and self-care
Connect with Alison Marras:
Website: Food By Mars - https://foodbymars.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/foodbymars/
Free Private Podcast - Beat the Bloat: 5 Day Gut Reset: https://foodbymars.com/bloat
20-min Anti-inflammatory Meal Prep: https://foodbymars.com/20min-meal-prep/
Please like, subscribe and share this podcast with someone you think might enjoy it. And if you enjoyed the episode? Please leave us a review! It really does help other women looking to outsmart burnout discover the show.
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Connect with Dr. Zarya Rubin:
Sign up for your 1:1 SOS Session and Step Out of Survival Mode! https://drzarya.myflodesk.com/
Listen to my TEDx talk about my burnout story: https://bit.ly/TEDxBurnout
Learn more: https://drzarya.com
Follow along on IG: https://instagram.com/drzaryarubin
Download your FREE Outsmart Burnout Toolkit: https://drzarya.myflodesk.com/outsmartburnouttoolkit
Keywords
leadership, burnout, women empowerment, zone of genius, emotional alignment, self-trust, overfunctioning, women in business, leadership coaching, personal development
Summary
Dr. Denée Choice is a leadership strategist who helps ambitious women expand their influence with grounded presence and authentic authority. She works with women who are tired of twisting themselves to fit outdated leadership molds and ready to lead from a deeper, more aligned source of strength. In this episode we talk about how to find your Zone of Genius, how to stop overfunctioning, and the unique challenges women leaders face. In her latest book, The Authority Myth, she maps the inner architecture that shapes how women rise and offers a path to leading with presence, power, and inner command.
Takeaways
Chapters
00:00 Meet Dr. Denée Choice
01:08 From Physician to Leadership Coach
06:53 Recognizing and Understanding Burnout
14:03 Finding Your Zone of Genius
26:41 Overfunctioning and Its Impact on Women
32:15 Empowering Women in Leadership Roles
Connect with Dr. Denée:
Website: https://choiceleadershipconsulting.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/deneechoice/
Book: Secrets of a Recovering Perfectionist: https://amzn.to/48Ok80z
Get a complimentary digital copy of my latest book, The Authority Myth: https://choiceleadershipconsulting.com/authority-myth/
Please like, subscribe and share this podcast with someone you think might enjoy it. And if you enjoyed the episode? Please leave us a review! It really does help other women looking to outsmart burnout discover the show.
And remember, burnout is not your destiny; it's your wake-up call!
Connect with Dr. Zarya Rubin:
Sign up for your 1:1 SOS Session and Step Out of Survival Mode! https://drzarya.myflodesk.com/
Listen to my TEDx talk about my burnout story: https://bit.ly/TEDxBurnout
Learn more: https://drzarya.com
Follow along on IG: https://instagram.com/drzaryarubin
Download your FREE Outsmart Burnout Toolkit: https://drzarya.myflodesk.com/outsmartburnouttoolkit
keywords
burnout, women entrepreneurs, coaching, wellness, business strategy, mental health, self-care, productivity, stress management, sustainable success
Summary
In this episode of Outsmart Burnout, Zarya Rubin speaks with Monica Jeane (MJ) Mitchell, an integrative life and business coach, about the pervasive issue of burnout among women entrepreneurs. With over 30 years of real-world business experience and a background in wellness, productivity, and coaching, MJ helps women who are successful on paper but secretly overwhelmed behind the scenes—exhausted from doing too much for too many - find a better way to run their business and life. MJ also shares her personal journey with burnout, the common patterns she observes in her clients, and the importance of addressing both business strategy and personal wellness. The conversation delves into the signs of burnout, practical strategies for recovery, and the role of PLAY in creating a sustainable business. MJ also offers actionable tips for managing stress as well as tips for coaches on how to best use their time and not burn out.
Takeaways
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Burnout and Its Impact
00:52 MJ's Journey with Burnout
02:53 Patterns of Burnout in Entrepreneurs
05:58 The Psychology of High Achieving Women
08:22 Identifying Signs of Burnout
11:10 Coaching Women Through Burnout
14:31 The Role of Play in Business Success
19:02 Simple Techniques to Combat Burnout
22:38 Rapid Fire Questions and Personal Insights
Connect with MJ:
www.mjmitchell.com
Please like, subscribe and share this podcast with someone you think might enjoy it. And if you enjoyed the episode? Please leave us a review! It really does help other women looking to outsmart burnout discover the show.
And remember, burnout is not your destiny; it's your wake-up call!
Connect with Dr. Zarya Rubin:
Sign up for your 1:1 SOS Session and Step Out of Survival Mode! https://drzarya.myflodesk.com/
Listen to my TEDx talk about my burnout story: https://bit.ly/TEDxBurnout
Learn more: https://drzarya.com
Follow along on IG: https://instagram.com/drzaryarubin
Download your FREE Outsmart Burnout Toolkit: https://drzarya.myflodesk.com/outsmartburnouttoolkit
eywords
burnout, mental health, global citizenship, psychiatry, work-life balance, travel, physician well-being, Nomad MD, telemedicine, lifestyle medicine
Summary
In this episode, Dr. Kristine Goins shares her remarkable journey from traditional psychiatry to becoming a global citizen, traveling the world, working remotely through telehealth and founding Nomad MD, where she helps other physicians do the same. She discusses the importance of reimagining work-life balance, recognizing burnout, and the systemic issues affecting physician well-being. Dr. Goins emphasizes the need for personal fulfillment and the potential for a life that integrates travel and work, encouraging listeners to explore new possibilities and overcome doubts. Sometimes the future you have always dreamed of is just on the other side of your limiting beliefs...
Takeaways
Chapters
00:00 Redefining Work and Life
02:23 The Journey to Psychiatry and Global Citizenship
10:10 Recognizing Burnout and Life Imbalance
18:58 Unlearning Toxic Beliefs in Medicine
21:30 Creating a Life of Freedom with Nomad MD
27:07 Leveraging Medical Skills Remotely
32:24 Overcoming Doubts and Embracing Possibilities
Connect with Dr. Kristine:
Website:thenomadmd.com
https://www.facebook.com/thenomadmds
https://www.instagram.com/thenomadmds
Please like, subscribe and share this podcast with someone you think might enjoy it. And if you enjoyed the episode? Please leave us a review! It really does help other women looking to outsmart burnout discover the show.
And remember, burnout is not your destiny; it's your wake-up call!
Connect with Dr. Zarya Rubin:
Sign up for your 1:1 SOS Session and Step Out of Survival Mode! https://drzarya.myflodesk.com/
Listen to my TEDx talk about my burnout story: https://bit.ly/TEDxBurnout
Learn more: https://drzarya.com
Follow along on IG: https://instagram.com/drzaryarubin
Download your FREE Outsmart Burnout Toolkit: https://drzarya.myflodesk.com/outsmartburnouttoolkit
Keywords
organization, mindset, clutter, life coaching, decluttering, overwhelm, productivity, business organization, personal development, time management
Summary
In this episode of the Outsmart Burnout Podcast, Dr. Zarya Rubin interviews Tracy Hoth, a certified life and organizing coach on a mission to help women simplify their homes, lives, and businesses. Tracy is the host of the top 1% globally ranked Organized Coach Podcast, where she equips women to declutter with confidence, create systems that last, and step into the role of Organized Life CEO. The conversation delves into the importance of mindset in organization, the five steps to decluttering, and how to create a sustainable organizing plan. Tracy emphasizes the connection between clutter and overwhelm, offering practical tips for managing both personal and business organization. The episode concludes with rapid-fire questions that reveal Tracy's insights on organizing and productivity.
Takeaways
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Tracy Hoth and Her Journey
01:09 The Intersection of Organization and Mindset
06:38 The Five Steps to Organizing Anything
11:29 Understanding Clutter and Its Types
13:57 The Connection Between Clutter and Overwhelm
16:44 Creating a Decluttering Plan
22:14 Maintaining Organization and Managing Clutter
24:43 Navigating Organization with Neurodivergent Families
27:31 Business Organization Strategies for Overwhelmed Entrepreneurs
31:59 Rapid Fire Insights on Clutter and Organization
Connect with Tracy Hoth:
Websitehttps://simplysquaredaway.com/
15 Minute Declutter Challengehttp://simplysquaredaway.com/declutter
The Organized Coach Podcasthttps://simplysqua
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Sign up for your 1:1 SOS Session and Step Out of Survival Mode! https://drzarya.myflodesk.com/
Listen to my TEDx talk about my burnout story: https://bit.ly/TEDxBurnout
Learn more: https://drzarya.com
Follow along on IG: https://instagram.com/drzaryarubin
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Keywords
neurodivergence, burnout, trauma, therapy, emotional dysregulation, ADHD, mental health, self-care, coping strategies, mental wellness
Summary
In this enlightening conversation, Zarya Rubin, MD, and Laura Sgro, LCSW, a licensed anxiety and trauma therapist, delve into the complexities of neurodivergence, trauma, and burnout. Laura shares her journey to becoming a therapist, her own experiences with ADHD, and how these factors influence her practice. They discuss the stigma surrounding neurodivergence, the impact of trauma on mental health, and the unique challenges faced by neurodivergent individuals in a neurotypical world. The conversation also explores practical strategies for managing burnout and emotional dysregulation, emphasizing the importance of self-advocacy and understanding one's nervous system. Listeners are encouraged to embrace their feelings and recognize the need for change in their lives.
Takeaways
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Laura Sgro and Her Work
01:29 Laura's Journey to Becoming a Therapist
03:00 Understanding Neurodivergence and Its Impact
05:39 Defining Neurodivergence and Its Stigmas
08:30 Neurodivergence and Burnout: A Deeper Look
10:55 The Role of Emotional Dysregulation
13:00 Trauma vs. ADHD: Understanding the Overlap
17:10 The Biological Impact of Trauma on the Brain
19:51 Navigating Hyperarousal and Shutdown States
21:13 Understanding the Fawn State and Nervous System Responses
28:24 Acceptance and the Path to Change
33:59 Navigating Burnout in a Chaotic World
37:39 Embracing Emotions: The Key to Functionality
Connect with Laura Sgro:
website: www.laurasgrolcsw.com
IG: @laurasgrolcsw
Please like, subscribe and share this podcast with someone you think might enjoy it. And if you enjoyed the episode? Please leave us a review! It really does help other women looking to outsmart burnout discover the show.
And remember, burnout is not your destiny; it's your wake-up call!
Connect with Dr. Zarya Rubin:
Sign up for your 1:1 SOS Session and Step Out of Survival Mode! https://drzarya.myflodesk.com/
Listen to my TEDx talk about my burnout story: https://bit.ly/TEDxBurnout
Learn more: https://drzarya.com
Follow along on IG: https://instagram.com/drzaryarubin
Download your FREE Outsmart Burnout Toolkit: https://drzarya.myflodesk.com/outsmartburnouttoolkit
Keywords
infertility, emotional support, stress management, coaching, trauma, authentic hope, women's health, reproductive endocrinology, burnout, self-care
Summary
In this episode of Outsmart Burnout, Dr. Erica Bove discusses the emotional complexities of infertility, the impact of stress, and the importance of community support. She shares her journey as an OBGYN and reproductive endocrinology and infertility specialist, emphasizing the need for a compassionate approach that combines medical science with emotional support. The conversation explores the multifactorial causes of infertility, the role of trauma, and the concept of "authentic hope" in navigating the fertility journey. Dr. Bove also introduces her coaching program, Love and Science: Thriving Through Infertility, which aims to empower women physicians to build their families with confidence, self compassion and community. Her mission is to heal and support the healers and to create a legacy she is proud of.
Takeaways
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Infertility and Emotional Complexity
01:32 Dr. Erica Bove's Journey to OBGYN and Fertility
04:44 The Infertility Epidemic: Causes and Cultural Impact
08:29 The Role of Stress in Fertility Challenges
14:37 Love and Science: Coaching for Infertility
18:22 The Intersection of Trauma and Fertility
20:04 The Complexity of Infertility and Trauma
22:03 Authentic Hope: A New Perspective
25:26 Navigating Control and Surrender
29:32 The Power of Letting Go
34:56 Practical Tools for Grounding and Self-Care
39:51 Celebrating Progress and Building Community
Connect with Dr. Erica Bove:
Website: loveandsciencefertility.com
Linked In: www.linkedin.com/in/erica-bove-0701a0173
IG: https://www.instagram.com/loveandsciencefertility/
FB: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61553692167183
Podcast: http://loveandsciencefertility.com/podcast
Please like, subscribe and share this podcast with someone you think might enjoy it. And if you enjoyed the episode? Please leave us a review! It really does help other women looking to outsmart burnout discover the show.
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Connect with Dr. Zarya Rubin:
Sign up for your 1:1 SOS Session and Step Out of Survival Mode! https://drzarya.myflodesk.com/
Listen to my TEDx talk about my burnout story: https://bit.ly/TEDxBurnout
Learn more: https://drzarya.com
Follow along on IG: https://instagram.com/drzaryarubin
Download your FREE Outsmart Burnout Toolkit: https://drzarya.myflodesk.com/outsmartburnouttoolkit
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You're smart, driven, and accomplished — but you're exhausted. Not the kind of tired that a good night's sleep fixes. The kind that makes you wonder how much longer you can keep going at this pace,…
Welcome to Outsmart Burnout.
I'm your host, Dr. Zarya Rubin — a Harvard-educated physician, TEDx speaker, burnout expert, and recovering overachiever — this show is for high-achieving women who are done white-knuckling their way through life and ready to reclaim their passion, purpose, and joy. As a physician who burned out in medicine and found my way back to personal and professional success, I don't just study burnout - I've lived it.
Each week, I invite expert guests to dive into the real conversations high-achieving women need most: the science of burnout and nervous system regulation, the identity shifts that midlife brings, the systems and patterns keeping you stuck, and the practical strategies to help you feel like yourself again.
Remember, burnout is not your destiny, it's your wake-up call.
Listen to my TEDx talk about burnout: https://bit.ly/TEDxBurnout
Learn more and work with me: www.drzarya.com
Follow along on Instagram: www.instagram.com/drzaryarubin
Download your FREE Outsmart Burnout Toolkit: https://drzarya.myflodesk.com/outsmartburnouttoolkit
For 1:1 burnout support, check out The Burnout Blueprint! https://drzarya.myflodesk.com/
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