In Nice Girls Don’t Win: How I Burned It All Down to Claim My Power, the five-time “Survivor” competitor and breakout star of “The Traitors” shares the stories that allowed her to transform her most difficult moments into catalysts for empowerment, from her childhood growing up in a Florida commune to the L.A. casting rooms that would drop her in the lush but brutal landscapes of “Survivor.” In conversation with Stephen Thompson, a host, writer, and reviewer for NPR Music, and co-host of “Pop Culture Happy Hour.”

This program was held on July 10, 2025. Watch the full conversation on YouTube.