Our guest this week is a very special one. Pat Kavanagh was the Chief Officer of Mountjoy prison for decades - and played a big part in Willa's life. In this episode, they talk about his life working in the prison, the funny, the sadness and the madness that came with it.

There are some parts of this episode that some people might find upsetting - we would also advise not to listen to it with the kiddos in the car.

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