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"We're getting the band back together!" is how honorary TSFU member Dr. Bryanna Fox so affectionately referred to us doing this interview, back in November of 2021... and it's been way too long so hopefully we'll be seeing her again soon!

Ash and former co-host Cam, and former audio engineer Evette, sat down with forensic psychologist, former FBI Special Agent, and now star of her OWN show on Hulu called The Lesson Is Murder (and all around total badass), Dr. Fox.

Her research focuses on the identification of psychological and developmental risk factors for criminal behavior and prolific offending, experimental field research and evidence-based policing and crime prevention strategies.Bryanna talked with the gals about MKUltra, Ted Kaczynski, her new book, the ethics surrounding risk assessment and predictive profiling, and so much more!

Make sure to listen to our episodes on MKUltra and Ted Kaczynski, aka the Unabomber, with updates, before or after this!


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-Audio editing by Evette Darensbourg and Lexi Jackson.