In this episode, Cally talks to Glasshouse project co-founder Kali Hamerton-Stove and Netti, one of the first female prisoners to successfully come through the programme, about justice, prison, women, children, nature, nurture, stereotyping, mental health, reoffending, hope, love and second chances.

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The Glasshouse

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Produced by Mike Hanson for Pod People Productions

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Music by Jake Yapp

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