Curtis Yarvin has been a provocative thought leader in a number of dissident spaces, and co-host ‪@caffeineandphilosophy‬ has been following his work for years.

In this week's show, we'll be discussing themes from Yarvin's new book, Gray Mirror: Fascicle I, Disturbance, from Passage Press.

CB Robertson has cited statements by Yarvin in various shows. Some of Yarvin's ideas seem smart and extremely reasonable and some are a hard pass.

Gray Mirror promises—in its title—to disturb us.

So we both ordered copies from Passage Press, and we'll kick around some of the disturbing ideas in this new book from an influential contemporary philosopher.

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During this episode, we mentioned The Order of Fire's new Adventure collection, featuring a Stay Solar cap and stylish safari shirt designed by Jack Donovan.

Check out the collection here.

🔥 This conversation was streamed live on YouTube at 7PM PST on Dec 19th, 2024. Watch the video here

🔥 Buy PH2T3R - The Journal of Solar Culture Vol. 01 on Amazon: here

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🔥C. B. Robertson, author of The Hero and the Man, Holy Nihilism, and Letter to Anwei, shares insights his blog, Caffeine and Philosophy.

Explore his thoughts at caffeineandphilosophy.com 🌐

Connect with C. B. Robertson-

Instagram: @caffeineandphilosophy

🔥 Jack Donovan is founder of The Order of Fire and PH2T3R. He is the author of The Way of Men, Fire in the Dark, Becoming a Barbarian, and A More Complete Beast.

Learn more about his work at jack-donovan.com

Connect with Jack Donovan-

Instagram: @starttheworld

Twitter: @mr_jackdonovan

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Some have called Trump's election a "bro-revolution." Football players and MMA fighters doing the Trump dance, Trump going on Rogan and walking into UFC to cheering crowds...

After decades of tolerating a hen-pecked mainstream culture, there's been a palpable vibe shift toward a return of the bro. When I asked ‪@caffeineandphilosophy‬ what we should talk about this week, he thought I should explore what happened to the bros over the past several decades, what changed, and what is happening now. So that's what we're going to do.

When I was writing The Way of Men in 2011, I started by reviewing the conflict between masculinity and feminism and the various attacks on masculinity and "bro" culture at that time. I decided to pull that section out of the final edit of the book, but I published it as a free e-book titled "No Man's Land" in 2012. You can read it for context on my website.

No Man's Land - by ‪@JackDonovan‬

https://www.jack-donovan.com/sowilo/2...

I'll also be watching ‪@millerman‬ 's video on the bro-revolution before the show, so we may refer to it.

I'm Witnessing America's BRO-REVOLUTION and It's Shocking!

 • I'm Witnessing America's BRO-REVOLUTI...  

You can post your questions in the comments via Instagram or YouTube. We've already started the discussion in our Telegram group, The Greater Mandala. (For access, sign up for our mailing list - here)

⚡THE ADVENTURE COLLECTION⚡

During this episode, we mentioned The Order of Fire's new Adventure collection, featuring a Stay Solar cap and stylish safari shirt designed by Jack Donovan.

Check out the collection here.

🔥 This conversation was streamed live on YouTube at 7PM PST on Dec 12th, 2024. Watch the video here

🔥 Buy PH2T3R - The Journal of Solar Culture Vol. 01 on Amazon: here

Or order direct through the Order of Fire store: orderoffire.shop

🔥C. B. Robertson, author of The Hero and the Man, Holy Nihilism, and Letter to Anwei, shares insights his blog, Caffeine and Philosophy.

Explore his thoughts at caffeineandphilosophy.com 🌐

Connect with C. B. Robertson-

Instagram: @caffeineandphilosophy

🔥 Jack Donovan is founder of The Order of Fire and PH2T3R. He is the author of The Way of Men, Fire in the Dark, Becoming a Barbarian, and A More Complete Beast.

Learn more about his work at jack-donovan.com

Connect with Jack Donovan-

Instagram: @starttheworld

Twitter: @mr_jackdonovan

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This episode closes out our read-through of Homer's Odyssey with books 21-24, which include the climax and the aftermath of the tale. Jack will be in Tasmania with members of The First Men, so one of our top men, Mark, will be sitting down with CB Robertson to discuss the final chapters of the series and then talk about the works of Homer as a whole. Mark is part of CB's ongoing Homer study group, so the two of them have a well-established rapport and an in-depth knowledge of Homer.

⚡Recommended supplementary reading:

The Hero and the Man: Language, Truth, and the Homeric Origins of Western Idealism

by our own C.B. Robertson ‪@caffeineandphilosophy‬ .

https://amzn.to/4086Ol2

You can post your questions in the comments via Instagram or YouTube. We've already started the discussion in our Telegram group, The Greater Mandala. (For access, sign up for our mailing list - here)

⚡THE ADVENTURE COLLECTION⚡

During this episode, we mentioned The Order of Fire's new Adventure collection, featuring a Stay Solar cap and stylish safari shirt designed by Jack Donovan.

Check out the collection here.

🔥 This conversation was streamed live on YouTube at 7PM PST on Dec 5th, 2024. Watch the video here

🔥 Buy PH2T3R - The Journal of Solar Culture Vol. 01 on Amazon: here

Or order direct through the Order of Fire store: orderoffire.shop

🔥C. B. Robertson, author of The Hero and the Man, Holy Nihilism, and Letter to Anwei, shares insights his blog, Caffeine and Philosophy.

Explore his thoughts at caffeineandphilosophy.com 🌐

Connect with C. B. Robertson-

Instagram: @caffeineandphilosophy

🔥 Jack Donovan is founder of The Order of Fire and PH2T3R. He is the author of The Way of Men, Fire in the Dark, Becoming a Barbarian, and A More Complete Beast.

Learn more about his work at jack-donovan.com

Connect with Jack Donovan-

Instagram: @starttheworld

Twitter: @mr_jackdonovan

🔥For more from The Order of Fire-

Website: orderoffire.com

Instagram: @theorderoffire

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In this short episode (recorded in advance as our normal time was Thanksgiving night in America), we go through Books 17-20 of the Odyssey. Most of these chapters, as CB Robertson says, are "one long string of dramatic irony." The real "bro" moment is in the "bum fights" chapter, where the suitors encourage two beggars (one secretly Odysseus) to duke it out for their amusement.

Jack Donovan will be in Tasmania for next week's LIVE show, so CB Robertson will be having one of the other members of the First Men, Mark, on to discuss the final chapters of the Odyssey and the works of Homer in general. Mark is a leader in the First Men and he's involved in CB Robertson's masters level Homer study project, so they should have some deep takes.

⚡Recommended supplementary reading:

The Hero and the Man: Language, Truth, and the Homeric Origins of Western Idealism

by our own C.B. Robertson ‪@caffeineandphilosophy‬ .

https://amzn.to/4086Ol2

You can post your questions in the comments via Instagram or YouTube. We've already started the discussion in our Telegram group, The Greater Mandala. (For access, sign up for our mailing list - here)

⚡THE ADVENTURE COLLECTION⚡

During this episode, we mentioned The Order of Fire's new Adventure collection, featuring a Stay Solar cap and stylish safari shirt designed by Jack Donovan.

Check out the collection here.

🔥 This conversation was streamed live on YouTube at 7PM PST on Nov 28th, 2024. Watch the video here

🔥 Buy PH2T3R - The Journal of Solar Culture Vol. 01 on Amazon: here

Or order direct through the Order of Fire store: orderoffire.shop

🔥C. B. Robertson, author of The Hero and the Man, Holy Nihilism, and Letter to Anwei, shares insights his blog, Caffeine and Philosophy.

Explore his thoughts at caffeineandphilosophy.com 🌐

Connect with C. B. Robertson-

Instagram: @caffeineandphilosophy

🔥 Jack Donovan is founder of The Order of Fire and PH2T3R. He is the author of The Way of Men, Fire in the Dark, Becoming a Barbarian, and A More Complete Beast.

Learn more about his work at jack-donovan.com

Connect with Jack Donovan-

Instagram: @starttheworld

Twitter: @mr_jackdonovan

🔥For more from The Order of Fire-

Website: orderoffire.com

Instagram: @theorderoffire

📬 Sign up for updates, join our Telegram, and learn about opportunities to join The Order of Fire here🔥🌐

Finally! Asleep in ITHACA... After years of struggle, Odysseus has returned to his homeland, but the battle is far from over.

Books 13-16 show that returning home is not just about arrival—it’s about reclaiming order, forming alliances, and confronting chaos. Odysseus reminds us that patience and loyalty are as essential as strength.

⚡Recommended supplementary reading:

The Hero and the Man: Language, Truth, and the Homeric Origins of Western Idealism

by our own C.B. Robertson ‪@caffeineandphilosophy‬ .

https://amzn.to/4086Ol2

You can post your questions in the comments via Instagram or YouTube. We've already started the discussion in our Telegram group, The Greater Mandala. (For access, sign up for our mailing list - here)

⚡THE ADVENTURE COLLECTION⚡

During this episode, we mentioned The Order of Fire's new Adventure collection, featuring a Stay Solar cap and stylish safari shirt designed by Jack Donovan.

Check out the collection here.

🔥 This conversation was streamed live on YouTube at 7PM PST on Nov 21st, 2024. Watch the video here

🔥 Buy PH2T3R - The Journal of Solar Culture Vol. 01 on Amazon: here

Or order direct through the Order of Fire store: orderoffire.shop

🔥C. B. Robertson, author of The Hero and the Man, Holy Nihilism, and Letter to Anwei, shares insights his blog, Caffeine and Philosophy.

Explore his thoughts at caffeineandphilosophy.com 🌐

Connect with C. B. Robertson-

Instagram: @caffeineandphilosophy

🔥 Jack Donovan is founder of The Order of Fire and PH2T3R. He is the author of The Way of Men, Fire in the Dark, Becoming a Barbarian, and A More Complete Beast.

Learn more about his work at jack-donovan.com

Connect with Jack Donovan-

Instagram: @starttheworld

Twitter: @mr_jackdonovan

🔥For more from The Order of Fire-

Website: orderoffire.com

Instagram: @theorderoffire

📬 Sign up for updates, join our Telegram, and learn about opportunities to join The Order of Fire here🔥🌐

James Lindsay made a persuasive case for why "wokism" is a kind of gnostic Marxist religious movement, and we've incorporated his thinking into many of our discussions on and offline. Recently, Lindsay has been talking about the "woke right" and we had to go watch his video about it to see what he was talking about. He seems to see "woke right" as a descendant of the "alt-right." Lindsay warns that the "woke right" may undermine the progress of some of the good things that are happening in American politics right now—and some of his concerns are valid.

You can watch Lindsay's on the Woke Right video here:

https://youtu.be/IgneBMo1lxY?si=qa6AE...

Since ‪@JackDonovan‬ wrote for alternativeright.com in its first year and knew many of the key players in the scene, and ‪@caffeineandphilosophy‬ has been tracking and interacting with related thinkers for more than a decade, we thought we could provide some relevant context based on our experiences.

How did the alt-right start, how did it change, and what does it mean now?

Is "woke right" a term that makes sense?

🔥 This conversation was streamed live on YouTube at 7PM PST on Nov 14th, 2024. Watch the video here

You can post your questions in the comments via Instagram or YouTube. We've already started the discussion in our Telegram group, The Greater Mandala. (For access, sign up for our mailing list - here)

⚡THE ADVENTURE COLLECTION⚡

During this episode, we mentioned The Order of Fire's new Adventure collection, featuring a Stay Solar cap and stylish safari shirt designed by Jack Donovan.

Check out the collection here.

🔥 Buy PH2T3R - The Journal of Solar Culture Vol. 01 on Amazon: here

Or order direct through the Order of Fire store: orderoffire.shop

🔥C. B. Robertson, author of The Hero and the Man, Holy Nihilism, and Letter to Anwei, shares insights his blog, Caffeine and Philosophy.

Explore his thoughts at caffeineandphilosophy.com 🌐

Connect with C. B. Robertson-

Instagram: @caffeineandphilosophy

🔥 Jack Donovan is founder of The Order of Fire and PH2T3R. He is the author of The Way of Men, Fire in the Dark, Becoming a Barbarian, and A More Complete Beast.

Learn more about his work at jack-donovan.com

Connect with Jack Donovan-

Instagram: @starttheworld

Twitter: @mr_jackdonovan

🔥For more from The Order of Fire-

Website: orderoffire.com

Instagram: @theorderoffire

📬 Sign up for updates, join our Telegram, and learn about opportunities to join The Order of Fire here🔥🌐

In this third episode of our read-through of Homer’s Odyssey, we’ll be exploring Books 9 through 12. Finally Odysseus begins telling the story of his ill-fated journey home from Troy. We'll discuss the city he and his crew sack like pirates for no good reason, the island of the Lotus-Eaters, and the story of Polyphemus the Cyclops. And that's just book 9. We'll have a lot to discuss in our 42nd LIVE show of the year.

NO SLEEP TIL ITHACA!

⚡Recommended supplementary reading:

The Hero and the Man: Language, Truth, and the Homeric Origins of Western Idealism

by our own C.B. Robertson ‪@caffeineandphilosophy‬ .

https://amzn.to/4086Ol2

You can post your questions in the comments via Instagram or YouTube. We've already started the discussion in our Telegram group, The Greater Mandala. (For access, sign up for our mailing list - here)

⚡THE ADVENTURE COLLECTION⚡

During this episode, we mentioned The Order of Fire's new Adventure collection, featuring a Stay Solar cap and stylish safari shirt designed by Jack Donovan.

Check out the collection here.

🔥 This conversation was streamed live on YouTube at 7PM PST on Nov 7th, 2024. Watch the video here

🔥 Buy PH2T3R - The Journal of Solar Culture Vol. 01 on Amazon: here

Or order direct through the Order of Fire store: orderoffire.shop

🔥C. B. Robertson, author of The Hero and the Man, Holy Nihilism, and Letter to Anwei, shares insights his blog, Caffeine and Philosophy.

Explore his thoughts at caffeineandphilosophy.com 🌐

Connect with C. B. Robertson-

Instagram: @caffeineandphilosophy

🔥 Jack Donovan is founder of The Order of Fire and PH2T3R. He is the author of The Way of Men, Fire in the Dark, Becoming a Barbarian, and A More Complete Beast.

Learn more about his work at jack-donovan.com

Connect with Jack Donovan-

Instagram: @starttheworld

Twitter: @mr_jackdonovan

🔥For more from The Order of Fire-

Website: orderoffire.com

Instagram: @theorderoffire

📬 Sign up for updates, join our Telegram, and learn about opportunities to join The Order of Fire here🔥🌐

I sat down with Dr. Dilanka during a recent Order of Fire event to talk about his recent trip to Gabon, where he participated in an Iboga ritual with the Bwiti. Watch the video here

🔥 Buy PH2T3R - The Journal of Solar Culture Vol. 01 on Amazon: here

Or order direct through the Order of Fire store: orderoffire.shop

🔥 Jack Donovan is founder of The Order of Fire and PH2T3R. He is the author of The Way of Men, Fire in the Dark, Becoming a Barbarian, and A More Complete Beast.

Learn more about his work at jack-donovan.com

Connect with Jack Donovan-

Instagram: @starttheworld

Twitter: @mr_jackdonovan

🔥For more from The Order of Fire-

Website: orderoffire.com

Instagram: @theorderoffire

📬 Sign up for updates, join our Telegram, and learn about opportunities to join The Order of Fire here🔥🌐

In this second episode of our read-through of Homer’s Odyssey, we’ll be exploring Books 5 through 8. These chapters begin Odysseus’ long-awaited journey home as he finally leaves Calypso’s island. Battling storms sent by Poseidon, he washes ashore in the land of the Phaeacians, where Princess Nausicaa offers him help. At the court of King Alcinous, Odysseus reveals his identity and is honored as a hero.

We’ll examine key themes such as fate, divine will, and the evolving nature of heroism, with a special focus on how Odysseus balances his intellect with physical strength. Join us as we discuss the trials and transformations Odysseus faces, and how these books lay the groundwork for his eventual return to Ithaca.

NO SLEEP TIL ITHACA!

⚡Recommended supplementary reading:

The Hero and the Man: Language, Truth, and the Homeric Origins of Western Idealism

by our own C.B. Robertson ‪@caffeineandphilosophy‬ .

https://amzn.to/4086Ol2

You can post your questions in the comments via Instagram or YouTube. We've already started the discussion in our Telegram group, The Greater Mandala. (For access, sign up for our mailing list - here)

⚡THE ADVENTURE COLLECTION⚡

During this episode, we mentioned The Order of Fire's new Adventure collection, featuring a Stay Solar cap and stylish safari shirt designed by Jack Donovan.

Check out the collection here.

🔥 This conversation was streamed live on YouTube at 7PM PST on Oct 24th, 2024. Watch the video here

🔥 Buy PH2T3R - The Journal of Solar Culture Vol. 01 on Amazon: here

Or order direct through the Order of Fire store: orderoffire.shop

🔥C. B. Robertson, author of The Hero and the Man, Holy Nihilism, and Letter to Anwei, shares insights his blog, Caffeine and Philosophy.

Explore his thoughts at caffeineandphilosophy.com 🌐

Connect with C. B. Robertson-

Instagram: @caffeineandphilosophy

🔥 Jack Donovan is founder of The Order of Fire and PH2T3R. He is the author of The Way of Men, Fire in the Dark, Becoming a Barbarian, and A More Complete Beast.

Learn more about his work at jack-donovan.com

Connect with Jack Donovan-

Instagram: @starttheworld

Twitter: @mr_jackdonovan

🔥For more from The Order of Fire-

Website: orderoffire.com

Instagram: @theorderoffire

📬 Sign up for updates, join our Telegram, and learn about opportunities to join The Order of Fire here🔥🌐

This is the first in a series of discussions about Homer's Odyssey, meant both for a general audience and for new members of The Order of Fire's First Men. In this show, we'll introduce the Odyssey in context and discuss the first four books of this tale of a "man of twists and turns driven time and again off course."

⚡Recommended supplementary reading:

The Hero and the Man: Language, Truth, and the Homeric Origins of Western Idealism

by our own C.B. Robertson ‪@caffeineandphilosophy‬ .

https://amzn.to/4086Ol2

You can post your questions in the comments via Instagram or YouTube. We've already started the discussion in our Telegram group, The Greater Mandala. (For access, sign up for our mailing list - here)

⚡THE ADVENTURE COLLECTION⚡

During this episode, we mentioned The Order of Fire's new Adventure collection, featuring a Stay Solar cap and stylish safari shirt designed by Jack Donovan.

Check out the collection here.

🔥 This conversation was streamed live on YouTube at 7PM PST on Oct 17th, 2024. Watch the video here

🔥 Buy PH2T3R - The Journal of Solar Culture Vol. 01 on Amazon: here

Or order direct through the Order of Fire store: orderoffire.shop

🔥C. B. Robertson, author of The Hero and the Man, Holy Nihilism, and Letter to Anwei, shares insights his blog, Caffeine and Philosophy.

Explore his thoughts at caffeineandphilosophy.com 🌐

Connect with C. B. Robertson-

Instagram: @caffeineandphilosophy

🔥 Jack Donovan is founder of The Order of Fire and PH2T3R. He is the author of The Way of Men, Fire in the Dark, Becoming a Barbarian, and A More Complete Beast.

Learn more about his work at jack-donovan.com

Connect with Jack Donovan-

Instagram: @starttheworld

Twitter: @mr_jackdonovan

🔥For more from The Order of Fire-

Website: orderoffire.com

Instagram: @theorderoffire

📬 Sign up for updates, join our Telegram, and learn about opportunities to join The Order of Fire here🔥🌐