If you're into nature (& of course you are, that's why you're here right?) then photography, even just via your smart phone, is something you'll most likely try at some point, but how does that work when your subjects are......well, sometimes, tiny.

This week I'm joined by nature writer & photographer of the insects Gail Ashton who sheds some light of what it takes to get up close & personal on bugs via the lens. Gail & I also take a moment to discuss why most celebrated wildlife photographers are white men & why this can easily change.

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This episode is sponsored by Leica Sport Optics