TechCentral's editor sat down with outgoing MTN group interim executive chairman Phuthuma Nhleko, who makes way on Monday for incoming group CEO Rob Shuter, to talk about the past, present and future of the telecommunications giant. In the interview, McLeod asks Nhleko about what he believes his biggest achievement was as leader of MTN and what he regards as his biggest regret. Also in the podcast, Nhleko talks about the changing shape of the global and South African mobile industries and how MTN is adapting. And he talks about the controversial ICT policy white paper of the South African government and, of course, he talks about that fine in Nigeria. Did MTN deserve it? You might be surprised by Nhleko's answer.