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Welcome to PICU Doc On Call, a podcast dedicated to current and aspiring intensivists. My name is Pradip Kamat
and my name is Rahul Damania and we come to you from Children's Healthcare of Atlanta Emory University School of Medicine. Today's episode is dedicated to the rational use of antibiotics in the PICU
We are delighted to be joined by two brilliant Pediatric clinical pharmacists Ms Whitney Moore and Ms. Stephanie Yasechko from Children's Healthcare of Atlanta.
I will turn it over to Rahul to start with our patient case...
An 8-year-old female (24 kg, 130 cm) with PMH significant for severe persistent asthma and history of multiple PICU admissions presents to the ED with swelling, redness and inability to bear weight in her (L) lower leg.
Patient had just finished soccer practice the evening prior to her ED visit when she first noticed swelling and redness of her left lower leg. She also had a fever as well as some non-bloody, non-bilious emesis. Her past h/o is significant for poorly controlled asthma with multiple admissions to the PICU.
Upon arrival to the ED, patient's BP was hypotensive, tachycardic, and tachypneic. She was given two 20 mL/kg NS boluses, and blood cultures were drawn in addition to a CBC, BMP, and UA.
Labs were notable for an elevated white count, lactate, and serum Cr. Patient was given a dose of antibiotic, and transported to the PICU for further workup and management.
Whitney and Stephanie welcome to PICU Doc on call.
Thanks Rahul and Pradip for having us. Neither one of us have any financial disclosures or conflicts of interest.
We want to divide today's discussion into 3 segments- antibiotic selection, transition into dosing and end with therapeutic monitoring
Whitney, what are some of the factors to consider prior to choosing an antibiotic regimen in our patient case with a preliminary diagnosis of cellulitis of the left lower extremity with possible sepsis?
Stephanie what are some of the other factors to consider prior to starting antibiotics in this patient?
This is an important point - infectious disease is not just about the relevant pathogen or "bug" but it is also about understanding the host status!
Stephanie -why vancomycin and cefepime in this case?
Whitney lets now transition from abx selection to dosing — how would you dose vancomycin and cefepime in our patient case?
I think this is a great time to start to highlight the importance of collaboration between the intensivists, nursing & the pharmacy team. These children already are tenuous and as we treat with broad spectrum abx it is important to also consider the side effects such as nephrotoxicity of broad spectrum antibiotics.
As we discussed specifics of dosing of Vanc and Cefepime, Stephanie, if we take a step back what are some of the other factors to consider prior to antibiotic dosing?
Whitney how would you monitor the patient given evidence of AKI and the need for a nephrotoxic antibiotic such as vancomycin?
To summarize, those "hard to reach areas" such as the blood brain barrier or the heart — we should ensure a higher trough in order for us to reach therapeutic effect.
Stephanie, what are important points regarding trough monitoring for vancomycin?
This is a great practical example, as the bedside staff it is important to optimize communication as antibiotic troughs are time sensitive.
Now that we have discussed vancomycin, Stephanie what about dosing and monitoring of cefepime in our patient?
Let's wrap up this section by summarizing some important dosing points for Vancomycin and Cefepime. Whitney, as your patient improves how would you approach de-escalation of abx?
This is an important point — narrowing broad spectrum antimicrobials optimizes antibiotic stewardship.
As we build on our case, Stephanie, if the blood culture grew Methicillin sensitive staph Aureus (MSSA) what antibiotic would be used and how will it be dosed?
Key points: MSSA likes to form a biofilm especially on internal hardware, and continuous oxacillin may be an effective option for treatment prior to consider removing the hardware for source control.
Our final portion of this podcast relates to specific clinical scenarios. We will be covering broad spectrum therapy for specific patient populations. We will cover anti-microbial coverage for patients who have:
and ...Children with:
Whitney lets start with patients who have an underlying hematologic malignancies. What would be an initial empiric anti-microbial regimen for these patients?
And what about the the patient who has a solid organ transplant on immunosuppression who presents with septic shock?
This is an important point - immuno-suppresants may compound end organ dysfunction and further, may have key drug interactions, such as CYP enzymes, which may alter your antimicrobial or antifungal kinetics.
Stephanie, let's continue with our specific patient populations which antibiotics would we consider in neonatal sepsis?
(Stephanie) What about the patient with fever, headache, altered sensorium concerning for bacterial meningitis, can you also comment on the patient with ventriculoperitoneal shunt infection and brain abscess?
The addition of Vancomycin combined with Ceftriaxone especially in patients who have meningitis and no hardware is important in overcoming resistant S. Pneumo strains.
Whitney, what is our coverage for perforated appendicitis with sepsis?
Stephanie, What about neck abscesses and septic thrombophlebitis (such as Lemierre syndrome)
(Allen BW, Anjum F, Bentley TP. Lemierre Syndrome. [Updated 2020 Dec 4]. In: StatPearls [Internet]. Treasure Island (FL): StatPearls Publishing; 2021 Jan-. Available from: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK499846.)
It is important for us to highlight that the likely microbe associated with Lemierre's is Fusobacterium necrophorum!
Whitney, lets conclude with our final patient population. What is your typical coverage in patient with Sickle cell disease who presents with sepsis, or acute chest syndrome?
Though this incidence is rare, it is important to understand that CTX can cause intravascular hemolysis in these patients who already have compromised Oxygen delivery due to their anemia.
Alright Stephanie, we have reached the end of our episode today... but I have one more question, as a fellow, when I am on call and we have a previously healthy child who presents to the PICU who is critically ill and hemodynamically unstable, what antibiotics should we consider ?
To take this episode home, remember to consider host status, source of infection, and likely microbes prior to initiation of broad spectrum therapy!
Whitney and Stephanie thank you so much for your expertise on common bugs and drugs — this was a great discussion, and we value your expertise. What are your take home clinical pearls for anti-microbials in the PICU..
Stephanie: Your clinical pharmacist can always help with choice of antibiotics as well as dosing and monitoring, especially in critically-ill children with AKI or hepatic dysfunction.
Whitney: The...
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Welcome to PICU Doc On Call, a podcast dedicated to current and aspiring intensivists. My name is Pradip Kamat
and my name is Rahul Damania and we come to you from Children's Healthcare of Atlanta Emory University School of Medicine. Today's episode is dedicated to the rational use of antibiotics in the PICU
We are delighted to be joined by two brilliant Pediatric clinical pharmacists Ms Whitney Moore and Ms. Stephanie Yasechko from Children's Healthcare of Atlanta.
I will turn it over to Rahul to start with our patient case...
An 8-year-old female (24 kg, 130 cm) with PMH significant for severe persistent asthma and history of multiple PICU admissions presents to the ED with swelling, redness and inability to bear weight in her (L) lower leg.
Patient had just finished soccer practice the evening prior to her ED visit when she first noticed swelling and redness of her left lower leg. She also had a fever as well as some non-bloody, non-bilious emesis. Her past h/o is significant for poorly controlled asthma with multiple admissions to the PICU.
Upon arrival to the ED, patient's BP was hypotensive, tachycardic, and tachypneic. She was given two 20 mL/kg NS boluses, and blood cultures were drawn in addition to a CBC, BMP, and UA.
Labs were notable for an elevated white count, lactate, and serum Cr. Patient was given a dose of antibiotic, and transported to the PICU for further workup and management.
Whitney and Stephanie welcome to PICU Doc on call.
Thanks Rahul and Pradip for having us. Neither one of us have any financial disclosures or conflicts of interest.
We want to divide today's discussion into 3 segments- antibiotic selection, transition into dosing and end with therapeutic monitoring
Whitney, what are some of the factors to consider prior to choosing an antibiotic regimen in our patient case with a preliminary diagnosis of cellulitis of the left lower extremity with possible sepsis?
Stephanie what are some of the other factors to consider prior to starting antibiotics in this patient?
This is an important point - infectious disease is not just about the relevant pathogen or "bug" but it is also about understanding the host status!
Stephanie -why vancomycin and cefepime in this case?
Whitney lets now transition from abx selection to dosing — how would you dose vancomycin and cefepime in our patient case?
I think this is a great time to start to highlight the importance of collaboration between the intensivists, nursing & the pharmacy team. These children already are tenuous and as we treat with broad spectrum abx it is important to also consider the side effects such as nephrotoxicity of broad spectrum antibiotics.
As we discussed specifics of dosing of Vanc and Cefepime, Stephanie, if we take a step back what are some of the other factors to consider prior to antibiotic dosing?
Whitney how would you monitor the patient given evidence of AKI and the need for a nephrotoxic antibiotic such as vancomycin?
To summarize, those "hard to reach areas" such as the blood brain barrier or the heart — we should ensure a higher trough in order for us to reach therapeutic effect.
Stephanie, what are important points regarding trough monitoring for vancomycin?
This is a great practical example, as the bedside staff it is important to optimize communication as antibiotic troughs are time sensitive.
Now that we have discussed vancomycin, Stephanie what about dosing and monitoring of cefepime in our patient?
Let's wrap up this section by summarizing some important dosing points for Vancomycin and Cefepime. Whitney, as your patient improves how would you approach de-escalation of abx?
This is an important point — narrowing broad spectrum antimicrobials optimizes antibiotic stewardship.
As we build on our case, Stephanie, if the blood culture grew Methicillin sensitive staph Aureus (MSSA) what antibiotic would be used and how will it be dosed?
Key points: MSSA likes to form a biofilm especially on internal hardware, and continuous oxacillin may be an effective option for treatment prior to consider removing the hardware for source control.
Our final portion of this podcast relates to specific clinical scenarios. We will be covering broad spectrum therapy for specific patient populations. We will cover anti-microbial coverage for patients who have:
and ...Children with:
Whitney lets start with patients who have an underlying hematologic malignancies. What would be an initial empiric anti-microbial regimen for these patients?
And what about the the patient who has a solid organ transplant on immunosuppression who presents with septic shock?
This is an important point - immuno-suppresants may compound end organ dysfunction and further, may have key drug interactions, such as CYP enzymes, which may alter your antimicrobial or antifungal kinetics.
Stephanie, let's continue with our specific patient populations which antibiotics would we consider in neonatal sepsis?
(Stephanie) What about the patient with fever, headache, altered sensorium concerning for bacterial meningitis, can you also comment on the patient with ventriculoperitoneal shunt infection and brain abscess?
The addition of Vancomycin combined with Ceftriaxone especially in patients who have meningitis and no hardware is important in overcoming resistant S. Pneumo strains.
Whitney, what is our coverage for perforated appendicitis with sepsis?
Stephanie, What about neck abscesses and septic thrombophlebitis (such as Lemierre syndrome)
(Allen BW, Anjum F, Bentley TP. Lemierre Syndrome. [Updated 2020 Dec 4]. In: StatPearls [Internet]. Treasure Island (FL): StatPearls Publishing; 2021 Jan-. Available from: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK499846.)
It is important for us to highlight that the likely microbe associated with Lemierre's is Fusobacterium necrophorum!
Whitney, lets conclude with our final patient population. What is your typical coverage in patient with Sickle cell disease who presents with sepsis, or acute chest syndrome?
Though this incidence is rare, it is important to understand that CTX can cause intravascular hemolysis in these patients who already have compromised Oxygen delivery due to their anemia.
Alright Stephanie, we have reached the end of our episode today... but I have one more question, as a fellow, when I am on call and we have a previously healthy child who presents to the PICU who is critically ill and hemodynamically unstable, what antibiotics should we consider ?
To take this episode home, remember to consider host status, source of infection, and likely microbes prior to initiation of broad spectrum therapy!
Whitney and Stephanie thank you so much for your expertise on common bugs and drugs — this was a great discussion, and we value your expertise. What are your take home clinical pearls for anti-microbials in the PICU..
Stephanie: Your clinical pharmacist can always help with choice of antibiotics as well as dosing and monitoring, especially in critically-ill children with AKI or hepatic dysfunction.
Whitney: The...
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