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Secularization Isn’t Gravity
Apatheism, Exile, and Mission Without Power (with Stefan Paas)
Is Christianity declining in the West—or are we misunderstanding what’s happening?
Missiologist Stefan Paas argues that secularization isn’t inevitable. It’s not gravity. Instead, it’s the result of millions of personal decisions—and that means its trajectory can change.
In this episode of Post Everything, John Houmes talks with Paas about the rise of apatheism—a cultural moment where God isn’t rejected so much as ignored—and what it means for Christian mission in a post-Christian society.
Rather than responding with panic, nostalgia, or attempts to reclaim cultural power, Paas suggests that the Church may need to rediscover something much older: faithful witness from the margins.
Together they discuss:
Why indifference may be a bigger challenge than hostility
The surprising religious curiosity among younger generations
What Christians can learn from the biblical experience of exile
Why worship may be one of the most countercultural practices left
How the Church can maintain its identity without resentment
Why mission today may look less like conquest—and more like creating small “niches” of hope and beauty
Chapters
00:00 Intro
03:50 🧐 Christianity's Current Social Position
09:20 Christian Proclamation Amidst Apatheism
11:20 ⚽️ Christians on Liverpool FC
12:00 🎙️ Proclamation through Podcasting
16:00 Worship as Rebellion
20:55 ✝️ 🇺🇸Faith Identity & National Identity
21:30 Secularization as Exile
27:30 Learning From Historic Black Church
29:00 Identity Maintenance in Exile
34:00 Formation as Preparation for Exile
35:30 ⛪️ Six Western Types of Churches
36:30 🇺🇸 American Impulses in Church Style
40:00 Love of Enemies in Exile
43:40 ⏱️ The Kingdom of God - Geography or Chronology?
44:30 Doxology & Mission Aren't Efficient
50:05 John's Favorite Paas Quote
52:53 Is God Behind Secularization?
55:00 🌎 ⛪️The Church & the World
56:00 Christian Spirituality & Identity in Exile
59:00 Secularization = Sum of a Million Decisions
1:01:45 So Many Enemies
In this follow-up to our conversation with Dr. George Yancey, John and Brad wrestle with a pressing question:
How do Christians live as holy, set-apart people—both hospitable and faithful—while navigating exile and cultural chaos?
Drawing on current tensions in Minneapolis and the broader polarization shaping our moment, they explore how alienation on both the left and the right fuels entitlement, outrage, and a destructive feedback loop that makes collective problem-solving nearly impossible.
But this episode isn’t just cultural analysis—it’s pastoral.
Brad introduces a crucial distinction: revival chasing vs. remnant building. In a liminal age, the church’s calling may not be dramatic cultural takeover, but patient formation—becoming a people anchored in Christ, capable of loving our enemies without fear.
In this episode:
Why alienation is driving polarization on both sides
How compassion becomes weaponized into coercion
The “feedback loop” fueling culture-war escalation
Why small churches may be uniquely positioned right now
Revival chasing vs. remnant building
Why loving our enemies is not optional Christianity
Letting the Kingdom—not the culture—set the table for our faith
At the heart of it all: Jesus did not come to defeat a political party. He came announcing the Kingdom of God. And He loved His enemies all the way to the cross.
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00:00 – Intro
#FaithAndCulture #ChurchLeadership #SpiritualFormation
Identity Politics, Polarization & Moral Persuasion — with Dr. George Yancey
Why does every political controversy feel like a Rorschach test?
In this episode of Posteverything, sociologist Dr. George Yancey joins us to explore identity politics, polarization, and whether moral persuasion still works in a culture that rewards outrage over understanding.
We discuss how framing everything through power and oppression reshapes public discourse, why polarization may be a crisis of moral formation rather than ideology, and what happens when shared moral language erodes.
We also examine Tim Keller’s “Third Way,” the limits of political power, and the church’s role in forming people who can engage culture without being consumed by it.
This is a conversation about truth, trust, leadership—and what kind of people we need to become in a liminal age.
🔍 Big Questions We Explore
Is identity politics a strategy—or a substitute religion?
When does moral persuasion break down?
What happens when we lose shared moral language?
What kind of people do we need to become in a liminal age?
CHAPTERS
00:00 Intro
John and Brad welcome back renowned political scientist, ethicist and
They discuss advancements in artificial intelligence (AI) and its implications for society. Singer reflects on the evolution of AI over the past two and a
Chapters:
00:00-02:00 Intro
02:01-10:18 What's changed in two and a half years in AI?
10:18-20:29 Ukraine/Russia drone warfare and tech advances
20:30-35:00 U.S. Rivalry w/ China...and Taiwan
35:00-47:59 Military Advancements and Societal Impacts
48:00-54:05 Cancer Kicks (Peter's Son's Non-Profit)
54:06-1:07:33 John and Brad's Take-Aways
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S2E2 (#69)
In this conversation, Mike Graham discusses the implications of artificial intelligence on cultural apologetics, focusing on the AI Christian Benchmark report. He explores the methodology behind the report, the theological reliability of AI outputs, and the challenges and opportunities presented by AI technology. The discussion also delves into the role of institutions, the church's response to technology, and the importance of navigating the complexities of AI in a redemptive manner.
CHAPTERS
00:00 Intro
02:00 Why Study AI?
05:30 Cultural Complexity and the Church
08:20 Is AI Just a Smarter Google?
10:15 Spiritual Questions People Ask AI
12:25 Differing Outputs from Different LLMs
17:50 Why Are the Models So Different?
23:00 Epistemological Scrambling and the Future
25:00 More on Using AI vs Googling
30:57 Gemini’s Response to the TGC Report
34:25 Will AI Disrupt Society Like Social Media Has?
41:50 TGC’s Plan for Discipleship Tools Around AI
43:10 Digital Divination
46:45 More on AI and Social Media
53:35 The Future of the Church
01:01:30 Triperspectivalism
01:02:39 The Complexity of the Future
01:08:21 Brad and John’s Take-Aways
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S2E1 (#68)
Alan Noble discusses the current state of higher education, the
08:46 What Should Higher Ed Be About?
13:25 Economics and Ideology and Education
14:54 Virtue, AI and Formation
29:59 Embodied Education and Life
37:35 Alan’s New Book: To Live Well
41:47 Are Virtues Anti-Holy Spirit?
49:48 Brad and John’s Take-Aways
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Brad and John return to discuss all things liminal, reflecting on their
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In our Season 5 wrap-up, Brad and John unpack how the recent vibe shift is reshaping cultural narratives—and what it means for Christians today.
Key Points:
What is a vibe shift?
Should digitalization affect how the Church does cultural apologetics?
How has social media affected our individual and cultural narratives?
What happens when the vibe shift goes to D.C.?
The Church is still God's Plan A.
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Today, Brad joins the Truth Over Tribe podcast to discuss his recent book, "The Reason For Church."
He and Patrick Miller discuss why Christian culture has been stuck in an anti-vision mindset and why a negative perception around institutions as a whole is partly to blame. Brad details why the Church is so necessary and explains how many Christians have forgotten the Church’s role as a source of healing and community. But what about people who have experienced spiritual abuse at the hands of the Church? We hope this episode offers an honest-yet-hopeful vision for church as a necessary institution.
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Brad's new book, The Reason for Church: Why the Body of Christ Still Matters in an Age of Anxiety, Division, and Radical Individualism, is officially out.
Get your copy here.
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