Ben here, today I'm coming to you with a very special episode featuring Jen Sillen. To ring in the fall season Jen and I board the Staten Island Ferry and play our favorite autumnal tracks. We discuss our favorite white women of the 2010's, China Mac vs. Moo Deng (and why China's owner won't come on the Pod), Chappell vs. Gaga, me low-key feeling bad about bullying Mitski off twitter, and then we visit World Trade Center 7 to talk about what supplements we do.

Happy Fall mamas!