In this episode we chat to Jennifer Lee, the technology and liberty project manager at the American Civil Liberties Union or ACLU of Washington, a non-profit organisation that fights for racial and gender equality and has been one of the leading voices in opposing facial recognition technology. Jen explains why we need to underscore the power dynamics in any decision to build, design, and use a technology, and why Microsoft’s new $22 billion contract to provide the military with technology affects how the tech industry defines good technology. Whether its the NYPD using automated license plate readers to track Muslim communities, or the 400,000 Michigan residents having their unemployment checks wrongfully withheld due to false fraud determinations, Jen tells us what can be done about the wrongful use of powerful technologies. We hope you enjoy the show.