In this thought-provoking episode of OwlCast, David Morelli sits down with Julie Winkle Giulioni, renowned author of Help Them Grow or Watch Them Go and Promotions Are So Yesterday, to explore a powerful reframe of career development. Together, they unpack why traditional promotion-focused growth models often fall short, and how organizations can better engage and retain talent by honoring the multidimensional motivations of today’s workforce.

Julie shares insights from her research and the multidimensional career framework she developed, offering practical ways leaders can support meaningful development, beyond the ladder climb. They discuss the critical role of psychological safety, how development is a relationship (not a task), and why both employees and managers must co-own the growth conversation. With examples from organizational practice and research, this episode delivers a refreshing roadmap for building sustainable engagement, performance, and fulfillment at work. Whether you're a manager looking to lead with intention or an employee seeking purpose beyond promotions, this episode will change the way you think about growth.