Proof: A True Crime Podcast

In addition to answering listener questions, Susan, Jacinda, and Kevin talk about what it was like interviewing Tim Fisher, a witness they hadn’t planned on meeting so soon. And how they quickly realized they needed more information before meeting with him again. The Proof team also shares their frustrations chasing down Jared Conway leads and why they think pursuing that angle is important.

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Susan Simpson and Jacinda Davis plunge deeper into the investigation of 18-year-old Renee Ramos’ murder. As they relentlessly pursue leads, a chance phone call during an interview puts them face to face with a potentially important witness they hadn’t anticipated meeting so soon. The Proof Team continues to unravel “alternate” theories that appear farfetched but can’t be ruled out.

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In this week’s Sidebar Susan, Jacinda and Kevin share a disheartening update on where things stand on Lee Clark’s and Joey Watkins’ compensation bills. And they discuss what it was like to interview Josh Burroughs and what it means (or doesn't mean) for Jake’s case.

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Josh Burroughs told detectives a multitude of different stories about what happened the night 18-year-old Renee Ramos was murdered. Susan Simpson and Jacinda Davis interview Josh Burroughs to see what he remembers now. And the Proof team tries to make sense of how and why Josh Burroughs became the State’s star witness.

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Not all witnesses want to talk, that’s expected. In this week’s Sidebar the hosts discuss the possible reasons why key witnesses decline interviews. But how, sometimes, one throwaway line in the case file can lead you to a witness who has information that could alter the entire course of investigation.

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The Proof Team continues to investigate the murder of Renee Ramos and heads to the Midwest to talk to the third co-defendant in the case. They also hear from key witnesses who were overlooked during the initial investigation. And a chance encounter leads to a new line of investigation.

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Will the real Rapper’s Delight please stand up? Susan's endless hunt for the real Rapper’s Delight continues. Susan, Jacinda, and Kevin talk more about their interview with Victoria and the reasons she thinks Jake and Ty are innocent. And they also discuss their impressions of the jailhouse informant and the consequences of his testimony.

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Susan, Jacinda, and Kevin talk to Louis’ mom and find out why she thinks Jake Silva is innocent. And a jailhouse informant tells them more about the confession that led to Ty Lopes’ conviction.

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The team continues their investigation into Renee Ramos' murder on the next episode of Proof. In the meantime, they've put together a short video of their interview with Fuji. You can watch that video on Proof's youtube channel, https://www.youtube.com/@proofcrimepod/videos. Fuji was the 17-year-old with a room behind his parents' house. Jake and Renee would often crash there. Hear how the investigation into Fuji continues to impact his life.

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On December 8, 2022, after serving 25 years in prison for a crime they did not commit, Lee Clark and Cain Joshua Storey were exonerated. Newly discovered evidence found during season one of Proof called the State’s case into question, and a Floyd County Prosecutor and Judge agreed their convictions should be overturned. Life on the outside hasn’t been easy for Lee and Josh but every day they are thankful for their freedom. Susan Simpson, Jacinda Davis, and Kevin Fitzpatrick catch-up with Lee and Josh to hear how they’re doing now – 15 months after regaining their freedom.

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