Paul Saladino is LOUD and literally banks on fear. He thinks we live in a zoo. He used to be a carnivore and sold the idea, and then started eating plants. He's said many deeply ridiculous and dangerous things. He is the reason Erewhon has a raw meat smoothie and the primary reason we overthink seed oils. He knows how much meat Jessica should eat in a day. He's a Lot. Clips of his claims are sprinkled throughout this podcast.

Trampus Harmon of Harmon and Son Beef returns to the show to talk about Paul and his customers' needs on a carnivore diet. The two of them talk about Paul's carnivore creep, his multiple iterations and influencer culture. Trampus isn't sure that Paul's tallow product is all that he claims it to be.

Paul reminds us that we're all going to die.

It was polyester slings not underwear Paul

One example of Paul being incredibly annoying

Raw milk to kids

Paul and seed oils

Physician nutrition specialists

Heart and Soil

Lineage beef tallow–or is it?

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