Mick and new(ish) WMS podder Jonathan are in an Edinburgh pub. Does a defeat here mean anything? Does it? If any team deserve some bigger-picture thinking on that front it's Sunderland after their form going into Wembley. Still some pretty shocking defending though.<hr> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.

Mick and new(ish) WMS podder Jonathan are in an Edinburgh pub. Does a defeat here mean anything? Does it? If any team deserve some bigger-picture thinking on that front it's Sunderland after their form going into Wembley. Still some pretty shocking defending though. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Mick and new(ish) WMS podder Jonathan are in an Edinburgh pub. Does a defeat here mean anything? Does it? If any team deserve some bigger-picture thinking on that front it's Sunderland after their form going into Wembley. Still some pretty shocking defending though. Hosted on Acast. See <a href="https://acast.com/privacy" rel="noopener noreferrer">acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.

REACTION: Sunderland Lose at Hearts

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