In this conversation, Carl and Lindsey explore themes of recovery, identity, and transformation. They discuss their experiences with relationships, the concept of being a 'baddie', and the journey toward becoming a 'good' person. This episode highlights the importance of awareness, personal growth, and redefining freedom in sobriety. They touch on the idea of being a 'spirit vigilante' and how their past shapes their present. The conversation also covers the challenges of rediscovering purpose, the value of role models, and the power of humility—ultimately embracing the shift from seeking external validation to finding meaning in doing good, as ‘rebels with a cause.’