The beat dropped on "I Knew You Were Trouble" and everything changed, Taylor Swift had gone pop. Nathan and Nora break down Taylor's fourth album, 'Red,' and her transition from country to pop. They discuss Max Martin's influence on the album, the importance of songs like "All Too Well" and "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together," and some of the things that were going on behind the scenes in Taylor's life at this moment.

Hosts: Nora Princiotti and Nathan Hubbard 

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