On the first half of this episode, Anoa talks with Pam Campos-Palma, Executive Director of Common Defense, about everything from running a post-2016 organization to being Women of Color in the age of self-care. The episode closes out with a great discussion with activist and Journalist Torraine Walker about the fragility of white supremacy and thoughts on the surreal Summer hit "Sorry to Bother You." Check out his review from earlier this summer. http://www.torrainewalker.com/real-talk/sorry-to-bother-you-keeps-it-surreal

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