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Overview

Greg Robertson sits down with Joe Kazzoun, CEO of Remine, for a wide-ranging conversation on real estate technology, forms, MLS dynamics, and Remine's path forward under new ownership. Joe walks through his career across brokerage tech, transaction management, and proptech, then digs into lessons learned from Instanet, Lone Wolf, Dotloop/Zillow, and his return to Remine. The discussion focuses on software bloat, member benefits vs. direct sales, and how Remine is simplifying its product strategy to regain stability and growth.

Key Takeaways

• Joe Kazzoun's career arc spans brokerage tech, transaction management, and proptech leadership, shaping his pragmatic view of software in organized real estate.

• The forms and transaction management market became fragmented due to MLSs seeking control over technology choices rather than relying solely on association member benefits.

• Dotloop's success highlighted the power of direct-to-agent sales, strong customer support, and simplicity over feature overload.

• Software bloat—especially in MLS environments driven by committee decisions—often hurts usability more than it helps adoption.

• Remine struggled under MLS ownership due to governance complexity and delayed cost-cutting, leading to a public sale process.

• Remine's acquisition by Place (Ben Kinney & Chris Suarez) stabilized the company, reduced redundancy, and moved it toward break-even.

• Going forward, Remine is focusing on clarity: prospecting, public record/tax data, simple MLS search, and Docs+—not trying to be everything at once.

• Remine is re-positioning its tax and public records tools as a standalone value for MLSs, alongside continued sales to MLSs, associations, and directly to agents and teams.

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