We're off on a break for a few weeks, so here's one of our most popular and important episodes from the ol' Babblevault. In 2019 we had a chat with Asad Rehman, one of the UK's leading justice and anti-racism campaigners, about Black Lives Matter and the failures of the environmental movement.

Asad is, according to his twitter bio, a "general activist against all bad things". And then some.

Currently the Executive Director of anti poverty charity War on Want, for 10 years Asad led Friends of the Earth's international climate work, putting justice and the voices of the global South at the heart of civil society's demands during UN climate talks.

We chat to Asad about his decades of anti-racism activism, the failings of the environment movement and what can be done about it, and why a Green New Deal for America won't cut the mustard.

Sustainababble is your friendly environment podcast, out weekly. Theme music by the legendary Dicky Moore – @dickymoo. Sustainababble logo by the splendid Arthur Stovell.

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