Rising Laterally

In this episode, we explore how our personal experiences this week shifted our perspectives.

Topics include the power of visuals in communication, the root meaning of the word “experience”, and the importance of testing ideas in reality. 

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0:00 How do dogs and humans greet each other differently?

3:33 The human propensity to overthink

5:35 Are we too advanced for our own good?

10:56 Being transparent about your motivations

13:31 Balancing EQ, operational, and technical skills

16:09 “Because I told you so”

18:24 Why communicate in metaphor?

23:38 The warrior archetype

25:40 How do you strengthen trusting your instinct?

28:54 What is the root of the word “experience”?

31:18 Ideas vs. Reality 

35:15 Expressing psychological concepts without dictionary definitions

36:28 Doing the inner work later in life   

39:42 Humility

42:22 Turning back toward the outer world

44:44 Congratulations to Qualifi CEO and former podcast guest, Darrian Mikell, for raising $2.5mm in seed funding

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Today’s guest is Jerry Colonna, one of the start-up world’s most in-demand executive coaches. He is the founder and CEO of Reboot.IO, an executive coaching and leadership development firm whose coaches and facilitators are committed to the notion that better humans make better leaders. Jerry is also the author of the 2019 release, “Reboot: Leadership and the Art of Growing Up”, which invites readers to embark on a journey of radical self-inquiry.

Together we launch an honest inquiry into how our personal histories have shaped our relationships with the world and work through bringing the contents of our unconscious into consciousness - all while embracing the universality of the human condition.

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0:00 Intro

1:17 Discussing your own personal history

3:04 Having presence as a leader or coach

5:00 When you show up as yourself, others show up as themselves

7:05 What do the questions we ask reveal about ourselves?

10:37 It doesn’t always have to be about other people

13:55 Recognizing that the human in front of you matters

15:47 “Who do I want to be?”

22:05 How can we think about “value” differently?

25:22 How can external affirmation become addictive?

27:18 Creating a balanced sense of self

34:38 Teach the questions you want answers to

37:00 Why is it hard to be honest about what we’re struggling with?

38:50 “Your story is my story”

42:05 Exploring our family roots

45:54 Sometimes we get the rules, without the stories

48:55 “What needs to be said that isn’t being said?”

53:39 “One Final Question”

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Book Recommendation!
“Reboot: Leadership and the Art of Growing Up”

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Laurie Gilbertson is a former New York City sex crimes, organized crime, and homicide prosecutor. As the owner of Tribeca Blue Consulting, Laurie helps entrepreneurs, executives, and trial attorneys craft and present engaging and persuasive narratives clearly and confidently in the courtroom, the boardroom, and the media.

We hear about some of Laurie’s most gripping cases, learn how to get inside the mind of a jury, and explore potential reasons behind the recent uptick in violence in America.

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0:00 Intro

1:21 Why do we pay so much attention to true crime drama?

3:27 The most gripping case Laurie prosecuted as a D.A. in Queens County, NY

9:40 How do you get inside the mind of a jury?

14:52 What makes a fair juror?

19:45 How to control your nerves when the stakes are high like they are in a courtroom

25:01 What do we know about the uptick in violence in the U.S.?

31:15 Criminal Justice in a world where fewer laws are being enforced

36:38 The reform taking place that provides more people access to justice

38:57 What is legal entrepreneurship?

42:54 “Doing well by doing good”

44:30 The ripple effect of democratized legal aid

46:04 Why you should make ‘learning how to communicate better’ a priority

53:41 Tips to help improve how you communicate today

55:59 “One Final Question”

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Dr. Mahreen Khan is an organizational psychologist and Senior Quantitative Researcher of People Insights at Atlassian. She is the author of seven academic papers, including a 2021 meta-analysis that examines the decline in emotional intelligence (EI) among college students in the western world. 

We explore the four facets of EI, the correlation between technology use and the decline of EI, and the potential knock-on effects of this decline at the societal level. 

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0:00 Intro

1:22 What attracted Mahreen to pursue a research related career?

4:57 Joe Rogan posted about Mahreen’s paper on the decline of emotional intelligence

6:42 The four facets of emotional intelligence used in the study

8:30 Which facets of emotional intelligence are on the decline? 

9:18 Increase in technology use predicted declines in emotional intelligence

11:15 Why the study was focused on college students

12:34 Are the declines more pronounced with males or females?

13:45 Types of emotional intelligence and what emotional intelligence can predict

17:09 How elastic are personality traits?

18:50 The connection between wellbeing, self-control, and emotionality

20:40 How is health linked to emotional intelligence?

23:08 How might current macro trends be linked to declining emotional intelligence? 

25:09 The life experience that helped Mahreen learn how to relate to various emotions 

28:22 Is social media the worst form of content consumption?

30:28 How communication impacts emotional intelligence

32:05 How family stability impacts emotional intelligence

35:52 The conversation about emotional intelligence in the workplace 

38:55 How long has social intelligence and emotional intelligence been part of the lexicon? 

39:28 How employers can use data to shape their employees’ experience  

41:04 The future of emotional intelligence

43:11 Elon Musk thinks every child should learn about these 50 cognitive biases

44:15 If there is one, what’s the floor to the decline in emotional intelligence?

45:31 “One Final Question”

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Jesson Bradshaw is the CEO of Energy Ogre, an electricity management company that uses proprietary systems to ensure its customers are always getting the best prices on their energy electricity. Energy Ogre has helped over 200,000 Texans save up to 40% on their electricity bills, totaling over $150M since its founding.

We explore the economic dynamics of a deregulated industry, the future of renewable energy, why people overpay for electricity without knowing it, and how Jesson built a business that delivers extreme value to its customer base.

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0:00 Intro

1:46 Jesson’s upbringing in the dual cultures of El Paso

8:17 The effects of deregulation on industry in the US

10:38 What happened when the electric sector in Texas became deregulated?

17:44 How are the three main electric grids in the US structured?

22:06 The 2021 Texas power crisis

25:50 How do electricity rates work in Texas?

31:16 The benefits of a deregulated electric sector for Texans

34:23 Why are wholesale rate plans not always cheaper than retail plans?

40:52 The contrasting economic dynamics of legacy energy and renewables 

47:54 Future synergies between legacy oil companies and disruptive start-ups

49:39 How does Energy Ogre guarantee their clients the lowest rate possible?

58:25 How did Jesson find a career that was meaningful to him?

1:02:40 Advice on scaling a company

1:08:02 How does the start-up environment allow for more flexible career growth?

1:11:27 Find a mentor that can open your eyes to new pathways

1:13:33 “One Final Question”

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Darrian Mikell is the Co-Founder and CEO of Qualifi, a SaaS platform that powers the fastest phone interview experience in the world and helps recruiting teams hire great candidates faster than ever before. He is based in the Indianapolis area and is a dedicated husband and father of three.

We explore what it takes to launch a start-up and secure funding, the emotional pressures of entrepreneurship, and the leadership responsibilities of a founder and CEO.

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0:00 Intro 

1:21 Darrian attributes his drive today to ambition he felt as a child  

3:34 Qualifi was co-founded by brothers  

5:25 What problem within the hiring process does Qualifi solve for?

9:12 What makes Darrian passionate about building his company?

10:26 Using the Notes App 

11:08 What few metrics do you measure at Qualifi and why do they matter the most? 

13:09 Is Qualifi the only product on the market right now or is it the best? 

14:43 How did you determine early adopters within the total addressable market?

18:20 An error made when first starting the company 

19:46 Understanding which key factors will drive your company’s growth

20:39 “Learn to sell, learn to build, if you can do both, you will be unstoppable” - Naval

22:17 Figuring out what it means to be an effective leader

24:01 Jobs of a CEO

26:18 When you hire people, are you thinking about cultural fit or cultural add?

27:40 Thoughts on bootstrapping versus raising venture capital 

32:03 Describing the experience of raising money 

34:40 The steps to take that can lead to a successful seed round

38:49 What company or founder origin story stands out as special?

41:43 Raising a family with 3 kids while running a business  

45:35 Competitiveness as an athlete versus competitiveness as an entrepreneur 

47:53 Misconceptions of building a business

48:44 Life lessons learned by playing golf 

54:44 How seeing success leads to more success

57:29 Focusing on the future

1:01:18 “One Final Question”

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Karen is a psychotherapist turned leadership consultant with a Masters of Divinity from Princeton Theological Seminary and a Masters in Social Work from Rutgers University. Blending psychology and spirituality with leadership strategy, she transforms the lives of countless Fortune 1000 leaders at work and at home. Her book, “The Connected Leader," puts forward connection as the antidote to the human being crisis within modern leadership.

Topics of conversation include: overcoming common roadblocks to connection, having honest conversations (with yourself), drawing from painful personal experiences to become a more empathetic person, and ending professional relationships on good terms.

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0:00 Intro

2:10 The resilience of the Aspen trees in Utah

4:05 Who is Paul Snyder?

5:28 What we get wrong about the leadership crisis

8:44 What makes someone a leader?

9:52 Does the natural-born leader exist?

13:20 “We all have an experience that has hurt us”

17:01 Connection starts with self-connection

19:55 How can we be more honest with ourselves?

23:15 Questions that you can ask to build connection

25:35 How to part ways on good terms 

29:30 How can companies get to know their remote employees?

33:38 Transforming your culture begins with you

37:36 Why are boundaries so important to maintaining empathy?

44:23 Accepting that life is messy

46:21 Facing resistance to change

49:27 Many of the best leaders are down-to-earth people

53:35 “One Final Question”

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Book Recommendation!
“The Connected Leader: 7 Strategies to Empower Your True Self and Inspire Others"

Karen's website

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Veronica Valli has been a leader and pioneer in the field of alcohol recovery for almost two decades. She is 20 years sober and has 17 years of experience as a recovery coach and psychotherapist. She is co-host of the Soberful podcast and author of the forthcoming book, “Soberful: Uncover A Sustainable, Fulfilling Life Free of Alcohol”. 

We explore the root causes of alcohol and substance abuse, the normalization of dysfunctional drinking, the impact that going sober has on relationships, and the “edge” that emerges through sober living. 

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0:00 Intro 

1:39 Gen X, the generation of benign neglect  

4:07 Veronica got sober at 27 

6:07 Veronica’s bad trip with hallucinogens

7:33 We’ve normalized abnormal drinking

9:19 What are the two constants to helping people recover?

12:51 Challenging misconceptions of sobriety

14:41 What is the sandwich test?

15:36 How does alcohol abuse limit our bandwidth? 

17:08 The impact of quitting alcohol on relationships

22:39 The “Mommy Needs Wine” culture 

28:29 How do marketers and media deceive us about alcohol?

31:53 Is the bar scene actually that fun?

36:05 What happens when alcohol becomes the “main event” in life?

37:05 What to focus on while adapting to sobriety

42:20 Why are boundaries so important?

44:37 How big problems can stem from resentments

46:14 Unlocking vulnerability
 
48:36 The necessity of attachment and authenticity in childhood

52:36 Tapping back into our imagination

53:50 Outside fixes to an inside problem

54:47 “One Final Question”

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Book Recommendation!
“Soberful: Uncover A Sustainable, Fulfilling Life Free of Alcohol”

Veronica's website

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In this week’s episode, we talk about some of our favorite episodes from the past year and revisit a few ideas that had a profound impact on the way we see the world.

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0:38 Being a vehicle for others’ ideas

3:31 Thank you to all our supporters

6:28 We all are able to give therapy to each other

10:08 How labels change over time

14:06 Embracing the spectrum of the human personality

16:46 Thinking critically about the mindfulness movement

21:28 We can all can relate over the experience of dreaming

27:27 The dark side of fiction

31:08 Avoiding the midlife crisis

33:13 Climate change and the effect on the Colorado river

36:15 The true value of podcasting

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Ron Purser is the Lam-Larsen Distinguished Research Professor (2021-2023) in the Lam Family College of Business at San Francisco State University. His essays and cultural criticism have appeared in the Huffington Post, The Guardian, Salon, Alternet, Tikkun, Pando Daily, Refinery 29, Tricycle and many more. He is the author of eight books, including “McMindfulness: How Mindfulness Became the New Capitalist Spirituality”.

We explore the genesis of the mindfulness movement in the West, it’s commodification by spiritual entrepreneurs, and how it’s become a tool to pacify employees rather than awaken them to their own human needs.

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0:00 Intro

2:27 The central premise of “McMindfulness”

4:04 “McMindfulness” is not simply a critique of mindfulness

5:39 Ron’s experience as a Buddhist practitioner 

7:00 The rise of mindfulness as a commodity in the West

9:32 The hype and exaggerated claims of the mindfulness movement

10:44 The “scientization” of mindfulness

14:22 When the spiritual entrepreneurs took hold of mindfulness

17:12 Mindfulness in the corporate workplace

22:44 Amazon’s working wellness program, “AmaZen”

24:45 Is there a better way to improve employee wellness?

32:22 The effect of mindfulness on service work and “emotional labor”

34:08 Is stress a result of individual problems or structural problems?

37:15 What are the second order effects of our culture of posturing?

40:46 Ron’s story of attending a corporate mindfulness workshop

43:41 What are the emotional holes we are trying to fill with mindfulness?

47:54 What is a deepity?

50:29 What is iatrogenesis?

52:53 Is Ron optimistic about the future?

58:16 Mindfulness is disproportionately practiced and promoted by elites

1:02:47 Mindfulness and the military

1:07:27 “One Final Question”

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Book Recommendation!
“McMindfulness: How Mindfulness Became the New Capitalist Spirituality”

Ron's Website

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