Rising Laterally

Dr. Lara Pence is a licensed clinical psychologist, executive consultant, wife, mother of two boys, and owner and founder of LIGHFBOX, an app that helps users develop self-mastery.

As Chief Mind Doc at Spartan Race she works closely with the company’s CEO and Founder, Joe De Sena. Together they co-authored the recent release, “10 Rules for Resilience: Mental Toughness for Families”.

We talk about why both parents and children are struggling in this current moment, how parents can set a healthier example for their kids, and offer specific ways to raise grittier and more responsible sons and daughters.

Dr. L helps us bring it home in this insightful and fun episode that any expecting parent, new parent, or struggling parent will find empowering.

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0:00 Intro

1:01 What propelled Dr. L’s desire to explore?

3:06 What is the difference between calculus and working with people?

6:36 Joe De Sena and the purpose of writing “10 Rules for Resilience: Mental Toughness for Families"

9:05 Where could we be more critical about parenting?

10:14 Why are kids struggling?

11:05 What should parents be relentless about?

13:07 Why are parents feeling more helpless?

14:31 What gives kids power that makes parents feel insecure and inferior?

18:46 Consider this alternative priority to screen time

20:33 Avoid blaming schools and the government for bad parenting

21:47 What environment do children truly thrive in?

22:44 How to breed discipline and responsibility in children

25:56 A chore guide for kids aged between 2-12 years old

27:13 The job of a parent

28:26 What glimmers should parents try to notice while their child moans and groans?

30:35 What does it mean to be an “active therapist”?

32:02 Changing your internal narrative through consistent action

34:31 How to have a conversation with your child about them having mixed feelings

37:27 What’s the impact of putting your child’s C- grade on the refrigerator?

38:15 What to do when your kid quickly loses interest in something they just started

41:12 The most important thing Kobe Bryant’s dad ever told him

42:15 What running an ultramarathon taught Dr. L and her family

45:35 How to talk about failure with your kid

47:39 A revolutionary new app called LIGHFBOX

53:07 8 ways to develop gritty kids

53:46 What do you believe you were put on this planet to do?

54:35 “One Final Question”

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Book Recommendation!
10 Rules for Resilience: Mental Toughness for Families

Dr. Lara Pence

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Bill Small has helped hundreds of clients achieve new levels of success and fulfillment over the last 15 years in his role as a business and personal coach. He is also a musician, creator of the Awareness Advantage Workshop, and co-host of a new podcast, “The Subtle Art of Not Yelling.”

In this wide-ranging conversation we discuss the art of coaching, the importance of uniting mindfulness with action, our culture’s strained relationship with aging, and personal accountability as an antidote to groupthink. 

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0:00 Intro

0:39 The many roles of Bill Small

1:38 The difference between mentoring, teaching, and coaching

3:33 How long does it take a coach to get to know their client?

6:07 What are some of the questions Bill asks his clients?

9:11 Seeking objective advice as a business owner

10:39 How “The Secret” influenced Bill’s coaching

14:05 Uniting mindfulness with action 

19:00 The importance of staying present with clients

21:13 The need for more compassion in our interactions

25:18 Our culture’s “weird” relationship with aging

28:22 Building deeper, more authentic connections with customers, users, and clients

31:58 The art of storytelling through songwriting

35:16 Taste and preference is subjective

37:47 Not everyone is a fit for entrepreneurship 

40:32 Building a skill set before building a client base

42:45 The future of groupthink

46:45 Pinning our anger on larger narratives

49:31 What’s a book you reopened recently?

52:27 “One Final Question"

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Book Recommendation!
The Domain of Being: Ontology by Celestine Bittle

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Kordel France is a machine learning engineer with experience in computer vision, augmented reality, GPS, autonomous systems, and optics. He is the founder and CEO of Seekar Technologies, a technology startup that is currently building the first clinical AI tool used to advise neuropsychologists in diagnosing mental disorders.

In our conversation we talk about the existential risks of AI, deepfakes, AI and music, the future of emotion recognition software, AI and consciousness, the AI race between the US and China, among other fascinating topics.

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0:00 Intro

1:32 The difference between machine learning and AI

3:22 Why has the defense sector been slow to adopt AI?

5:15 Will AI create more jobs than it replaces?

9:34 Which industries are leading in AI adoption?

12:34 Untapped opportunities for AI in agriculture and medicine

14:22 AI can now create music and discover new artists

7:46 What are the existential risks of deepfakes?

19:23 Kordel’s Eddie Van Halen algorithm

20:51 Will emotion recognition software help us become more empathetic?

25:06 Kordel’s work using AI to detect early signs of PTSD

29:34 Future synergies between therapy and AI

31:16 Will AI ever be able to replicate consciousness?

36:46 How AI is helping Steph Curry perfect the NBA 3-point shot

39:30 Would you watch AI-enhanced performers?

41:44 The AI race between the US and China

48:47 Seekar Technologies’ focus on ethical AI and peer-review

50:50 “One Final Question”

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Chris is a cancer-survivor, best-selling author, and creator of the popular blog called, “Chris Beat Cancer”. In 2003, at 26 years old, he was diagnosed with stage IIIC colon cancer. After surgery, Chris opted-out of chemo and instead, used nutrition and natural therapies to heal his cancer. Eighteen years later, Chris is a healthy, strong, cancer-free husband and father of two.

His national bestselling book is “Chris Beat Cancer: A Comprehensive Plan for Healing Naturally” and his latest book is “Beat Cancer Kitchen: Deliciously Simple Plant-Based Anticancer Recipes”.

In our conversation, we talk about Chris’s recovery, how the wrong incentives are shaping the pharmaceutical and cancer treatment industries, the root causes of cancer, and how to craft a healthy anti-cancer diet.

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0:00 Intro

0:37 Who is Chris Wark? 

4:29 When Chris discovered he had colon cancer

6:42 How does the cancer industry treat its patients?

11:02 The irony of hospital food

12:32 How are self-healing and entrepreneurship connected?

13:52 The pharmaceutical industry has captured medicine

18:45 The incentives that shape the cancer treatment industry

23:42 How Chris was able to choose to avoid chemotherapy

29:02 How does the cancer industry influence how cancer patients feel?

31:07 What is causing cancer?

33:09 When you’re obese, your immune cells are obese

37:10 What to know about the toxic elements in our environments

40:45 Ask yourself this question prior to each meal you eat

45:05 A life-changing shift in perspective for all cancer patients

49:00 One of the most shocking statistics about chemotherapy

50:37 Chris’s free guide, “20 Questions for Your Oncologist”

55:49 Do you know if your treatment is curative or palliative?

1:01:08 How Chris began speaking and writing full-time

1:03:45 “One Final Question”

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Book Recommendations!

“Chris Beat Cancer: A Comprehensive Plan for Healing Naturally”

“Beat Cancer Kitchen: Deliciously Simple Plant-Based Anticancer Recipes”

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In this week’s episode, we look at narcissism from both a sociological and psychological perspective, explore the implications of the rapidly approaching Metaverse, and ask honest questions about the state of today’s social climate. 

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0:00 Intro

0:37 Who was American social critic Christopher Lasch?

3:23 Are we living in a constant state of surveillance?

5:47 Can we be kind, and rough around the edges at the same time?

10:07 How the bureaucratization of work changed the American personality 

12:12 Difference in organizational culture at large companies versus startups

16:27 Is the line between reality and unreality becoming blurrier?

19:57 Could the modern person survive in life before technology?

22:47 Scott Galloway’s article on the Metaverse

28:07 Learning how to act like no one is watching

31:11 The two forms of narcissism: Grandiose and Vulnerable

34:07 Are we becoming more neurotic and more avoidant? 

38:52 The scenario where a narcissistic leader is actually desirable

42:02 Getting to a point where there is less negativity

45:12 Could the Metaverse actually make people more empathetic?

47:47 Which world do you want to live in?

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Book Recommendations:

The Culture of Narcissism by Christopher Lasch

The New Science of Narcissism by W. Keith Campbell 

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In this episode, we examine how actions result in ripple effects by talking about the legacy of Rosie Ruiz and sharing reflections on a recent service trip to Mexico.

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0:00 Intro 

0:38 Who is Rosie Ruiz and what is her story?

9:30 The many forms of grief 

10:34 A 99% Rotten Tomatoes Netflix documentary recommendation  

14:14 Stories from a service trip to Mexico

15:57 The challenging lives of stray dogs in Mexico 

19:30 Experiencing upgrades

25:03 The Starfish Allegory 

30:08 Themes of this episode

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Paul Denniston is the founder of Grief Yoga®, which uses yoga, movement, breath, and sound to release pain and suffering and connect to love.

Paul is certified in Hatha Yoga, Vinyasa Flow, Kundalini Yoga, Laughter Yoga, Restorative Yoga, and Let Your Yoga Dance.  He also has taught movement at the Stella Adler Academy in Hollywood.

In our conversation, we discuss his new book, “Healing Through Yoga: Transform Loss Into Empowerment”.

Topics include the universality of grief, the difficultly we have supporting each other while grieving, the challenge of surrendering, the experience of loss during the pandemic, and reconnecting with the physical world in the digital age while grieving.

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0:00 Intro

0:39 How Paul became interested in movement and yoga

5:57 What is Grief Yoga?

8:56 How a random act of kindness transformed Paul’s life

11:01 Showing compassion with each other as we go through collective crises

15:01 Emotion is energy in motion

16:15 Jaw release exercise

18:08 Spine movement exercise

19:34 Even in deep loss, love still exists

22:28 When someone is experiencing grief, avoid saying this

25:59 Expressing your grief

30:42 What should you let go of?

33:08 The difficulty of trusting the process

37:06 Surrender is a space of sweet release

38:00 How children may process grief

40:22 Social media, identity, and today’s young people 

43:06 What does grief have to do with starting lines?

48:41 How the pandemic disrupted the way we process grief

53:03 What’s the connection between Jealousy, Envy, and Grief?

56:50 “One Final Question”

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Book Recommendation!
"Healing Through Yoga: Transform Loss into Empowerment - With More Than 75 Yoga Poses and Meditations"

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For over four decades, Lisa has worked with individuals and companies to create lives of presence and purpose.  She earned a BA from Stanford University and an MBA from Duke.

Lisa is a Transcendental Meditation Sidha, attended the Monroe Institute for the exploration of expanded states of consciousness, and studied imagery and dream reading at the American Institute for Mental Imagery for 15 years with noted author and teacher of Western spirituality, Dr. Gerald Epstein.

In our conversation, we discuss her new book, “All the Time in the World: Learn to Control Your Experience of Time to Live a Life Without Limitations”. 

Topics include the physical and perceptual properties of time, the relationship between quantum physics and consciousness, and accessible strategies we can all use to intentionally slow down the passage of time and enter “the zone.”

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0:00 What is Police2Peace?

3:44 Peace Officer is the legal term for Police Officer in most states in the country

5:41 Before the pandemic, being busy was a badge of honor

7:28 Time is one part physical and one part perception

9:34 What is a zeptosecond?

12:55 Is consciousness more fundamental than matter?

14:54 Lisa’s near-death experience and getting into the zone

18:58 Why does time seem to speed up in adulthood?

21:01 Thinking of time in a different way

22:44 An exercise for expanding time

29:10 Different basic states of brain waves

33:59 The world’s highest performers use visualization

37:07 Changing your relationship with time in the 21st century

39:44 The neuroscience of fear

42:46 What is the idea of quantum consciousness?

47:19 The phenomenon of multiple independent discoveries and coincidences

49:50 Lisa’s work with people who have learned how to slow down time

52:14 How to intentionally dream your day in advance at night

56:32 “One Final Question”

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Book Recommendation!
"All the Time In the World: Learn to Control Your Experience of Time to Live a Life Without Limitations"

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In this episode, we chat with Dr. Kathryn Ford. Kathryn has been practicing psychotherapy for over 20 years. She received her M.D. from Brown University Medical School and did her psychiatric residency at the Stanford School of Education. Kathryn has a private practice that specializes in work with couples, as well other kinds of relationships. 

We cover in depth how you and your partner can create a thriving relationship based on shared vision, learning, and openness. If you are experiencing struggles in your relationship, this episode can provide perspective on what may be holding you back and what can be done to spiral back up towards a healthier relationship.  

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00:39 Who Kathryn Ford is and how she became interested in studying people

5:46 What role is storytelling playing in our perception of relationships?

9:24 Relationship Status: “It’s Complicated”

11:48 Two common mistakes that couples make

13:25 In human relationships, this is a really bad idea

14:50 What do subsequent marriage divorce rates prove?

16:25 What is Aperture Awareness and how does it apply to couples?

20:16 What’s a good way to handle difficult and spontaneous situations with my partner? 

23:32 What creates the atmosphere of tension between partners?

25:19 What are my individual rights in an intimate relationship with a partner?

27:25 The value of hard conversations

28:22 My partner is addicted to video games and screens

32:33 How did couples who thrive handle the pandemic?

37:22 What should I do if my partner handled our finances and they passed away?

42:52 What are the important questions to ask ourselves before going to see a couples therapist? 

44:37 How can I better handle the moments of ambiguity in my relationships? 

50:22 I’m interested in going to couples therapy but my partner is hesitating, how can I get them to go?

52:17 “One Final Question”

53:31 Dr. Kathryn Ford’s private practice, workshops, and Stanford courses

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Dr. Kathryn Ford

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In this episode, we answer “what is the greatest invention of all time?"

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0:00 What is the greatest invention of all time?

2:21 First invention

8:45 Second Invention

16:13 Unbundling and rebundling

20:23 Third invention

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