Samo Burja is a research fellow at the Long Now Foundation, the founder of Bismarck Analysis, and originator of the Great Founder theory, who is driven by a simple question. Why have all prior civilizations failed, and how can ours escape the same fate? Our conversation focuses on the ways in which getting good data is almost impossible. Civilizations rise, fall, and their skeletons get scavenged to nourish what comes next. Floods sweep the landscape clean of the best laid plans, and rising sea levels bury the rest. We talk about the future of the academy, the search for buried treasures, and informed searches for long-lost cultures. Note - we had some technical difficulties at the end here, and so the audio for the last 20 minutes is pretty choppy. Apologies! We're working on making sure it doesn't happen again.

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