Manuel Pais, InfoQ Lead Editor for DevOps, talks to Rosalind Radcliffe, Distinguished Engineer at IBM, about mainframe software delivery, from technical evolution to the mindset change required to adopt DevOps and modern development practices.

Why listen to this podcast:

- Large organizations have not evolved practices in mainframe systems due to cultural challenges, not technical.

- Most mainframe applications still have high business value but don't take advantage of modern hardware.

- Modern practices like TDD, code coverage, infrastructure-as-code and automated pipelines are possible today in mainframe.

- Biggest problem in DevOps transformations is to exclude mainframe. There's no need for bi-modal IT because there is no constraint that mainframe must be slow to change.

- Aging workforce is a particular issue around mainframe. Younger developers are not attracted by old school practices.

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