RT Dialogue

Such a fun conversation in this episode with Dr. Marical Felan who is a Level II Restoration Therapist, splitting time living and doing therapy between California and Texas.

In this episode we spend a lot of time talking about theological integration and the unique background that Marcial brings to Restoration Therapy with all of his experience in ministry and organizations like Chuck Colson's Prison Fellowship Ministries and serving on staff with Dr. David Jeremiah at Shadow Mountain Community Church. As well as discussing some of his favorite interventions such as reparenting and the two-screen/split screen.

It was really fascinating listening to his journey to RT and all the varying connections over the years. Just a reminder of how deep and rich the foundation of Restoration Therapy is and the community that Terry and Sharon Hargrave have built and fostered over the years.

Mentioned in the Episode

Christ Plays in Ten Thousand Places by Eugene Peterson

Becoming Dallas Willard by Gary Moon

Breathing Under Water by Richard Rohr

The Fix by Ian Cron

Steps by John Ortberg

Why I Believe by Dr. Henry Cloud

About RT Dialogue

Welcome to RT Dialogue with co-hosts Lance Ahl and Rhett Smith, LMFT. This podcast is about making connections, building community, and learning and practicing the model of Restoration Therapy together. Each episode features conversations with Restoration Therapy practitioners, leaders, and friends of the RT community about how the model shapes therapy, coaching, leadership, and everyday relationships.

Episode links and resources:
You can find all links mentioned in each episode on our Spotify and Substack pages.

Connect with the hosts: Rhett Smith and Lance Ahl

Learn more about: Restoration Therapy

Listen and subscribe on: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, YouTube, and Substack.

We welcomed back Ron Deal to the podcast to discuss an important topic that seems to be on everyone's mind (at least in the RT world) -- and that is the paradigm shifting move from emotional coregulation to self-regulation. And Ron helped us dive deep into the topic.

If you have never met Ron before, he is the President of Smart Stepfamlies and Senior Director of Family Life Blended. We also had him on this podcast way back in Episode 7. Oh, and lest we forget -- Co-Author of The Mindful Marriage along with his wife Nan, and Terry and Sharon Hargrave.

We covered a lot of ground in this conversation about coregulation and self-regulation, but some of the themes that emerged were:

• Significant paradigm shift of RT towards self-regulation vs coregulation
• AI as the new coregulator
• The virtue of self-control as critical to emotional self-regulation
• Emotional self-regulation as practice of discipleship
• Ron's scuba diving metaphor for self-regulation vs coregulation
• and much more

(see our RT Dialogue Substack for the handout mentioned in episode}

Mentioned in the Episode

Practicing the Way by John Mark Comer

Self-Regulation and Self-Control by Roy Baumeister

The Mindful Marriage by Ron and Nan Deal

Meditations by Marcus Aurelius

About RT Dialogue

Welcome to RT Dialogue with co-hosts Lance Ahl and Rhett Smith, LMFT. This podcast is about making connections, building community, and learning and practicing the model of Restoration Therapy together. Each episode features conversations with Restoration Therapy practitioners, leaders, and friends of the RT community about how the model shapes therapy, coaching, leadership, and everyday relationships.

Episode links and resources:
You can find all links mentioned in each episode on our Spotify and Substack pages.

Connect with the hosts: Rhett Smith and Lance Ahl

Learn more about: Restoration Therapy

Listen and subscribe on: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, YouTube, and Substack.

It will come as no surprise to anyone when we say that we are in the midst of a very difficult time in world history. The world is in a very volatile state politically, and the cultural climate is full of tension. And as therapists, this can be complicated terrain to navigate, especially when in the context of one therapy day we interact with clients coming from all different perspectives.

With this in mind, we wanted to bring Terry and Sharon Hargrave onto the podcast to help us better understand the role of Restoration Therapy in shaping us into the type of therapists (and people) who can bring peace into all of this pain.

Terry and Sharon obviously need no introduction in this community. They are the founders of Restoration Therapy and Relate Strong, and so much more. And most importantly, they have trained many of us professionally and walked alongside of us personally.

In this episode we look at their model of how we move from reactivity to polarization to entitled extremism (see the RT Dialogue Substack for the handout Terry talked about during this episode), and the critical role emotional self-regulation plays in volatile times like these. We discuss the work of the therapist using this model, as well as practical ways we can all walk this out everyday in our personal lives.

Mentioned in the Episode

The Practice of the Presence of God by Brother Lawrence

In the Name of Jesus by Henri Nouwen

Exclusion and Embrace by Miroslav Volf

Restoration Therapy by Terry Hargrave and Franz Pfitzer

The Road to Character by David Brooks

About RT Dialogue

Welcome to RT Dialogue with co-hosts Lance Ahl and Rhett Smith, LMFT. This podcast is about making connections, building community, and learning and practicing the model of Restoration Therapy together. Each episode features conversations with Restoration Therapy practitioners, leaders, and friends of the RT community about how the model shapes therapy, coaching, leadership, and everyday relationships.

Episode links and resources:
You can find all links mentioned in each episode on our Spotify and Substack pages.

Connect with the hosts: Rhett Smith and Lance Ahl

Learn more about: Restoration Therapy

Listen and subscribe on: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, YouTube, and Substack.

Welcome to episode 34 of the RT Dialogue podcast. We are so thankful that you could join us and listen to our latest conversation with our good friend, and RT therapist, Migum Gweon.

If you enjoy this podcast, please take a minute to leave a comment wherever you listen (Spotify, Apple, YouTube, etc.). And we want to give a special shoutout to our friend RO Smith who has bee helping us with our sound and editing. Thank you RO.

Now back to our guest.

Migum has been around Restoration Therapy since the early days and is a huge contributor to the model and the community. She is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist in Nevada (also licensed and seeing clients in CA).

Migum is clinically gifted in many areas, but one of the areas we focused on in this episode is cultural and intergenerational family issues, specifically among Koreans. We loved her insight and emphasis on anxiety, and the discussion around forgiveness in the RT model. We also learned some things about K Dramas (specifically When Life Gives You Tangerines).

The latter part of the episode we focus on two excellent therapeutic interventions that she has been working on and utilizing in her work -- Quicksand Analogy and the yet to be named intervention (maybe Incompetent or Transitions intervention).

Mentioned in the Episode

Families in Forgiveness by Terry Hargrave and Nicole Zasowski

Forgiving the Devil by Terry Hargrave

When Life Gives You Tangerines

About RT Dialogue

Welcome to RT Dialogue with co-hosts Lance Ahl and Rhett Smith, LMFT. This podcast is about making connections, building community, and learning and practicing the model of Restoration Therapy together. Each episode features conversations with Restoration Therapy practitioners, leaders, and friends of the RT community about how the model shapes therapy, coaching, leadership, and everyday relationships.

Episode links and resources:
You can find all links mentioned in each episode on our Spotify and Substack pages.

Connect with the hosts: Rhett Smith and Lance Ahl

Learn more about: Restoration Therapy

Listen and subscribe on: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, YouTube, and Substack.

This episode has been a long time coming and we are so excited to present to you Dr. Miyoung Yoon Hammer.

Dr. Hammer is Associate Professor of Marriage and Family Therapy and Chair of the Department of Marriage and Family Therapy at Fuller Theological Seminary.

She is also the co-author of Advances and Techniques in Restoration Therapy, and has written a lot of beautiful articles on a number of topics that I highly recommend you check out.

Not only has she been a contributing member to the development of RT, but she has also taught and trained and mentor a lot of members of our community over the years. So it was with great excitement that we had her on this episode. We loved hearing her genesis story with Restoration Therapy (there are some great Terry and Sharon stories in here) and the way she integrates the model theologically.

We had a lot to cover and didn't get around to all of it, so we are looking forward to having her back on very soon.

Mentioned in the Episode

MedFT

Advances and Techniques in Restoration Therapy

About RT Dialogue

Welcome to RT Dialogue with co-hosts Lance Ahl and Rhett Smith, LMFT. This podcast is about making connections, building community, and learning and practicing the model of Restoration Therapy together. Each episode features conversations with Restoration Therapy practitioners, leaders, and friends of the RT community about how the model shapes therapy, coaching, leadership, and everyday relationships.

Episode links and resources:
You can find all links mentioned in each episode on our Spotify and Substack pages.

Connect with the hosts: Rhett Smith and Lance Ahl

Learn more about: Restoration Therapy

Listen and subscribe on: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, YouTube, and Substack.

Welcome to episode 32 of the RT Dialogue Podcast with our special guest, Dee Dee Mayer.

Dee Dee is the Senior Director of Relate Strong at the Boone Center for the Family at Pepperdine University in Malibu, CA.

The Boone Center for the Family is a remarkable organization and it provides a lot of resources to help equip individuals and organizations -- as it says on their website, "The Boone Center for the Family helps communities within churches, academic institutions, and other Christian organizations by providing trainings and resources to empower the communities' leaders."

We cover a lot of topics such as Relate Strong, the amazing Minister's Marriage Enrichment, and all of the resources that the Boone Center provides. And Dee Dee takes us into a deeper conversation around "usness" and the varying tools and interventions she uses to work with "usness" in relationships.

Resources Mentioned in the Episode

Boone Center for the Family

Minister's Marriage Enrichment

Relate Strong

Relate Strong Workshops and Trainings

Relate Strong Leadership Series

Linked In | Boone Center

Vivek Murthy | Loneliness Epidemic

The Defining Decade by Meg Jay

About RT Dialogue

Welcome to RT Dialogue with co-hosts Lance Ahl and Rhett Smith, LMFT. This podcast is about making connections, building community, and learning and practicing the model of Restoration Therapy together. Each episode features conversations with Restoration Therapy practitioners, leaders, and friends of the RT community about how the model shapes therapy, coaching, leadership, and everyday relationships.

Episode links and resources:
You can find all links mentioned in each episode on our Spotify and Substack pages.

Connect with the hosts: Rhett Smith and Lance Ahl

Learn more about: Restoration Therapy

Listen and subscribe on: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, YouTube, and Substack.

In this episode we are back with Dr. Tanner Hargrove (see bio below) and his wife Jet. The two of them are a dynamic duo, and pulled off the lion's share of the work for the RT Summit in Amarillo, TX this last February.

We wanted to pick their brain on all things hospitality -- from creating a hospitable experience for a conference, to the importance of hospitality for The Hideaway Experience marriage intensives they help run...down to the role of hospitality in all of our clinical and private practices.

As we start ramping up planning for the 2027 RT Summit, we will be looking for a lot of help in creating another hospitable experience. So stay tuned for details.

Tanner's Bio

Tanner wears many hats: ⁠⁠⁠⁠therapist⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠clinical director at The Hideaway Experience marriage intensive⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠professor⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠Level II RT therapist⁠⁠⁠⁠ -- and he co-created the ⁠⁠⁠⁠Turning from Anxiety Intensive⁠⁠⁠⁠.

About RT Dialogue

Welcome to RT Dialogue with co-hosts Lance Ahl and Rhett Smith, LMFT. This podcast is about making connections, building community, and learning and practicing the model of Restoration Therapy together. Each episode features conversations with Restoration Therapy practitioners, leaders, and friends of the RT community about how the model shapes therapy, coaching, leadership, and everyday relationships.

Episode links and resources:
You can find all links mentioned in each episode on our Spotify and Substack pages.

Connect with the hosts: Rhett Smith and Lance Ahl

Learn more about: Restoration Therapy

Listen and subscribe on: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, YouTube, and Substack.

So we are back with Dr. Tanner Hargrove and his fourth intervention which is multi-versed in its use.

This is a five-part series, so make sure you check out all five this week as they become available:

1. ⁠⁠Destructive entitlement intervention⁠⁠
2. ⁠Personal responsibility intervention⁠
3. Trust intervention
4. Control intervention
5. Multi-Versed intervention

Short Bio

Tanner wears many hats: ⁠⁠⁠therapist⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠clinical director at The Hideaway Experience marriage intensive⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠professor⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠Level II RT therapist⁠⁠⁠ -- and he co-created the ⁠⁠⁠Turning from Anxiety Intensive⁠⁠⁠.

We hope you enjoy this episode on a multi-versed intervention.

About RT Dialogue

Welcome to RT Dialogue with co-hosts Lance Ahl and Rhett Smith, LMFT. This podcast is about making connections, building community, and learning and practicing the model of Restoration Therapy together. Each episode features conversations with Restoration Therapy practitioners, leaders, and friends of the RT community about how the model shapes therapy, coaching, leadership, and everyday relationships.

Episode links and resources:
You can find all links mentioned in each episode on our Spotify and Substack pages.

Connect with the hosts: Rhett Smith and Lance Ahl

Learn more about: Restoration Therapy

Listen and subscribe on: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, YouTube, and Substack.

So we are back with Dr. Tanner Hargrove and his fourth intervention around control.

This is a five-part series, so make sure you check out all five this week as they become available:

1. ⁠⁠Destructive entitlement intervention⁠⁠
2. ⁠Personal responsibility intervention⁠
3. Trust intervention
4. Control intervention
5. Multi-Versed intervention

Short Bio

Tanner wears many hats: ⁠⁠⁠therapist⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠clinical director at The Hideaway Experience marriage intensive⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠professor⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠Level II RT therapist⁠⁠⁠ -- and he co-created the ⁠⁠⁠Turning from Anxiety Intensive⁠⁠⁠.

We hope you enjoy this episode on the intervention for control.

About RT Dialogue

Welcome to RT Dialogue with co-hosts Lance Ahl and Rhett Smith, LMFT. This podcast is about making connections, building community, and learning and practicing the model of Restoration Therapy together. Each episode features conversations with Restoration Therapy practitioners, leaders, and friends of the RT community about how the model shapes therapy, coaching, leadership, and everyday relationships.

Episode links and resources:
You can find all links mentioned in each episode on our Spotify and Substack pages.

Connect with the hosts: Rhett Smith and Lance Ahl

Learn more about: Restoration Therapy

Listen and subscribe on: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, YouTube, and Substack.

So we are back with Dr. Tanner Hargrove and his third intervention around trust.

This is a five-part series, so make sure you check out all five this week as they become available:

1. ⁠Destructive entitlement intervention⁠
2. Personal responsibility intervention
3. Trust intervention
4. Control intervention
5. Multi-Versed intervention

Short Bio

Tanner wears many hats: ⁠⁠therapist⁠⁠, ⁠⁠clinical director at The Hideaway Experience marriage intensive⁠⁠, ⁠⁠professor⁠⁠, ⁠⁠Level II RT therapist⁠⁠ -- and he co-created the ⁠⁠Turning from Anxiety Intensive⁠⁠.

We hope you enjoy this episode on the intervention for trust.

About RT Dialogue

Welcome to RT Dialogue with co-hosts Lance Ahl and Rhett Smith, LMFT. This podcast is about making connections, building community, and learning and practicing the model of Restoration Therapy together. Each episode features conversations with Restoration Therapy practitioners, leaders, and friends of the RT community about how the model shapes therapy, coaching, leadership, and everyday relationships.

Episode links and resources:
You can find all links mentioned in each episode on our Spotify and Substack pages.

Connect with the hosts: Rhett Smith and Lance Ahl

Learn more about: Restoration Therapy

Listen and subscribe on: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, YouTube, and Substack.