RT Dialogue

So we are back with Dr. Tanner Hargrove and his second intervention around personal responsibility.

This is a five-part series, so make sure you check out all five this week as they become available:

1. Destructive entitlement intervention
2. Personal responsibility intervention
3. Trust intervention
4. Control intervention
5. Multi-Versed intervention

Short Bio

Tanner wears many hats: ⁠therapist⁠, ⁠clinical director at The Hideaway Experience marriage intensive⁠, ⁠professor⁠, ⁠Level II RT therapist⁠ -- and he co-created the ⁠Turning from Anxiety Intensive⁠.

We hope you enjoy this episode on the intervention for destructive entitlement.

About RT Dialogue

Welcome to RT Dialogue with co-hosts Lance Ahl and Rhett Smith, LMFT. This podcast is about making connections, building community, and learning and practicing the model of Restoration Therapy together. Each episode features conversations with Restoration Therapy practitioners, leaders, and friends of the RT community about how the model shapes therapy, coaching, leadership, and everyday relationships.

Episode links and resources:
You can find all links mentioned in each episode on our Spotify and Substack pages.

Connect with the hosts: Rhett Smith and Lance Ahl

Learn more about: Restoration Therapy

Listen and subscribe on: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, YouTube, and Substack.

We are really excited to have Dr. Tanner Hargrove on this episode. Tanner wears many hats: therapist, clinical director at The Hideaway Experience marriage intensive, professor, Level II RT therapist -- and he co-created the Turning from Anxiety Intensive.

If you attended the Summit in February in Amarillo, Tanner's interventions in his couple's workshop had everyone talking. So we wanted to have him on the podcast again to talk about some of his interventions.

Tanner has a lot of interventions but we focused on 5 specific ones. We thought that this episode was so important and practical that we created a separate episode for each intervention.

So make sure you check out all 5 this week as they become available:

1. Destructive entitlement intervention
2. Personal responsibility intervention
3. Trust intervention
4. Control intervention
5. Multi-Versed intervention

We will definitely have Tanner back on to talk through and demonstrate more interventions.

We hope you enjoy this episode on the intervention for destructive entitlement.

About RT Dialogue

Welcome to RT Dialogue with co-hosts Lance Ahl and Rhett Smith, LMFT. This podcast is about making connections, building community, and learning and practicing the model of Restoration Therapy together. Each episode features conversations with Restoration Therapy practitioners, leaders, and friends of the RT community about how the model shapes therapy, coaching, leadership, and everyday relationships.

Episode links and resources:
You can find all links mentioned in each episode on our Spotify and Substack pages.

Connect with the hosts: Rhett Smith and Lance Ahl

Learn more about: Restoration Therapy

Listen and subscribe on: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, YouTube, and Substack.

As we continue to improve the quality of sound and listener experience on the podcast, we also wanted to re-release Episode 20 with Dr. Mike Bishop.

Lance was having trouble with his mic on this episode, but we were able to clean up the audio a bit more.

Thanks for listening and we hope you enjoy.

About RT Dialogue

Welcome to RT Dialogue with co-hosts Lance Ahl and Rhett Smith, LMFT. This podcast is about making connections, building community, and learning and practicing the model of Restoration Therapy together. Each episode features conversations with Restoration Therapy practitioners, leaders, and friends of the RT community about how the model shapes therapy, coaching, leadership, and everyday relationships.

Episode links and resources:
You can find all links mentioned in each episode on our Spotify and Substack pages.

Connect with the hosts: Rhett Smith and Lance Ahl

Learn more about: Restoration Therapy

Listen and subscribe on: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, YouTube, and Substack.

We want to apologize for some of the sound issues we have incurred in some previous episodes. We have been testing out new software along the way and learning as we go.

But these conversations are really important to us and so we will continue to improve the listening experience for all of you until we get it just right.

Moving forward we have brought someone on board to help us with sound and technical issues, as well as just the overall quality of the show.

We love doing it and want to keep it simple and down to earth, but improve in areas that make it a more enriching experience for you.

We have gone back and cleaned up the last episode (#23 with Terry Hargrave) as best we can...working on the sound levels with Terry. On some platforms people reported hearing Terry find, and other platforms...not so much. So here is another go at it.

We hope you enjoy, and thanks for your patience.

About RT Dialogue

Welcome to RT Dialogue with co-hosts Lance Ahl and Rhett Smith, LMFT. This podcast is about making connections, building community, and learning and practicing the model of Restoration Therapy together. Each episode features conversations with Restoration Therapy practitioners, leaders, and friends of the RT community about how the model shapes therapy, coaching, leadership, and everyday relationships.

Episode links and resources:
You can find all links mentioned in each episode on our Spotify and Substack pages.

Connect with the hosts: Rhett Smith and Lance Ahl

Learn more about: Restoration Therapy

Listen and subscribe on: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, YouTube, and Substack.

"Practice is the only pathway to change."

--Dr. Terry Hargrave

Today's special guest needs no introduction! We were very excited to have Dr. Terry Hargrave back onto the podcast to discuss a wide range of topics, and it was an opportunity to ask some questions that seem to come up a lot in the RT community.

Terry is the founder of Restoration Therapy and the author of many books -- and ultimately a great friend and mentor not only to us, but to the RT community as a whole. We are beyond thankful to call him friend and to have him join us.

Discussed in this Episode

The Road to Character by David Brooks

The Sacred Journey by Frederick Buechner -- "stewardship of pain" (Part 1) and (Part 2)

Roy Baumeister -- specifically around self-control (emotional self-regulation)

From Lost to Found by Nicole Zasowski

Justin Martyr

Tertullian

Romans 12:1-2

Ephesians 4:20-24

Philippians 4:4-9

Romans 5

Galatians 5:22-23

About RT Dialogue

Welcome to RT Dialogue with co-hosts Lance Ahl and Rhett Smith, LMFT. This podcast is about making connections, building community, and learning and practicing the model of Restoration Therapy together. Each episode features conversations with Restoration Therapy practitioners, leaders, and friends of the RT community about how the model shapes therapy, coaching, leadership, and everyday relationships.

Episode links and resources:
You can find all links mentioned in each episode on our Spotify and Substack pages.

Connect with the hosts: Rhett Smith and Lance Ahl

Learn more about: Restoration Therapy

Listen and subscribe on: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, YouTube, and Substack.

Welcome to Episode 22 of the RT Dialogue. In Season 1 we have been busy geting to know different members of the Restoration Therapy community, and it's been a really enjoyable experience. We hope you have enjoyed it as much as we have.

Spotify | Apple | YouTube

In this episode we spend time with Steven Perez who is an LPC on staff at the Restoration Therapy Center of San Diego and is also a Level 2 Restoration Therapist.

A lot of you read his bio on our RT Dialogue Substack, as well as seeing his name come through your emails for the Restoration Therapy Consultation Group that meets each month online (3rd Thursday of the month -- email Steven if you want to get on that list).

One of the things that you may have noticed in previous episodes, or in other interactions with the RT community -- is a growing desire to be more experiential in the room and move people into practice. Steven has a real gift for helping individuals and couples work through their 4 steps in a really experiential and empowering way, and we were eager for him to talk about it, as well as demonstrate it.

We hope you enjoy this episode.

Resources Mentioned in this Episode

Psalm 121

Henri Nouwen (and more specifically In the Name of Jesus)

About RT Dialogue

Welcome to RT Dialogue with co-hosts Lance Ahl and Rhett Smith, LMFT. This podcast is about making connections, building community, and learning and practicing the model of Restoration Therapy together. Each episode features conversations with Restoration Therapy practitioners, leaders, and friends of the RT community about how the model shapes therapy, coaching, leadership, and everyday relationships.

Episode links and resources:
You can find all links mentioned in each episode on our Spotify and Substack pages.

Connect with the hosts: Rhett Smith and Lance Ahl

Learn more about: Restoration Therapy

Listen and subscribe on: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, YouTube, and Substack.

We really enjoyed getting to dive deep with our latest guest -- having met him more than a decade ago at a local church workshop, and then getting to spend time with him at the RT Summit this last February.

Chuck Roberts is a Level 1 Restoration Therapy Therapist, and is in private practice at Life Restoration SOULutions -- which is part of the group practice Christian Counseling in Dallas.

Chuck has a passion for working with couples and men, and he spends a significant amount of time working with men and sex addiction. We discussed Chuck's interest in intensive work and his involvement in Restoring the Soul Weekend in Colorado, which was founded and is directed by Michael John Cusick.

Chuck also studied under the late Dr. Larry Crabb which opened up some great stories about his influence on Chuck's life and the work he does.

We hope you enjoy the episode.

Mentioned in this Episode

Hypnotist Andrew Johnson and his apps

The Essential Humility of Marriage by Terry Hargrave

Restoration Therapy by Terry Hargrave

Inside Out by Larry Crabb

Connecting by Larry Crabb

The Silence of Adam by Larry Crabb

Brennan Manning

Andrew Huberman and the physiological sigh

Things Above Podcast by James Bryan Smith

Renovare and Learning to Hear God

About RT Dialogue

Welcome to RT Dialogue with co-hosts Lance Ahl and Rhett Smith, LMFT. This podcast is about making connections, building community, and learning and practicing the model of Restoration Therapy together. Each episode features conversations with Restoration Therapy practitioners, leaders, and friends of the RT community about how the model shapes therapy, coaching, leadership, and everyday relationships.

Episode links and resources:
You can find all links mentioned in each episode on our Spotify and Substack pages.

Connect with the hosts: Rhett Smith and Lance Ahl

Learn more about: Restoration Therapy

Listen and subscribe on: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, YouTube, and Substack.

We were on a little bit of a break over the last few weeks as summer was in full swing and we were traveling a bit.

But we are very excited to be back recording podcast episodes, and it was a lot of fun to ramp back up with Dr. Mike Bishop who is a Level II Restoration Therapist and Professor of Counseling at TWU (Texas Wesleyan University).

As you will pick up in this episode, Dr. Bishop brings a lot of fun and humor into his work and we really enjoyed covering a lot of ground with him -- from his early days of meeting Terry Hargrave when they were in graduate school together, to hearing more about the development of RT over the years and when he "caught it".

Dr. Bishop is in an unique role as a professor as well, and it is evident that he has been playing a vital role in bringing the beauty of Restoration Therapy to his students (i.e. previous podcast guests, Bisola Adediji, and Dr. Ulrica Kassar).

Hopefully you all will get to meet Dr. Bishop in person at some point soon as he is a delight to be around and a huge gift to the RT community.

About RT Dialogue

Welcome to RT Dialogue with co-hosts Lance Ahl and Rhett Smith, LMFT. This podcast is about making connections, building community, and learning and practicing the model of Restoration Therapy together. Each episode features conversations with Restoration Therapy practitioners, leaders, and friends of the RT community about how the model shapes therapy, coaching, leadership, and everyday relationships.

Episode links and resources:
You can find all links mentioned in each episode on our Spotify and Substack pages.

Connect with the hosts: Rhett Smith and Lance Ahl

Learn more about: Restoration Therapy

Listen and subscribe on: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, YouTube, and Substack.

We are really loving this journey connecting with therapists in the RT Community. It's amazing to hear the stories of how people came into discovering and falling in love with the Restoration Therapy model.

In this episode we connected with Dr. Ulrica Kassar (who was brought to our attention by our last guest -- Bisola Adediji) who is the Founder and CEO of Chosen Counseling and Coaching Services. Dr. Kassar came across RT and met Dr. Terry Hargrave at the Meet the Master Seminar at Texas Wesleyan University where she completed her Ph.D. in Marriage and Family Therapy.

Dr. Kassar has a passion for helping client navigate their "middle moments" and she brings into the work with her clients such a rich experience both personally and professionally.

Near the end of the episode when we discuss Restoration Therapy and theological integration, Dr. Kassar shared with us her character study she did with some women of the biblical character Hagar. In that discussion we mentioned a couple of books that bring attention to specific female biblical characters that are often overlooked and are on the underside of oppression not only within the text, but often within modern scholarship.

They are:

Texts of Terror: Literary-Feminist Readings of Biblical Narratives by Phyllis Trible,

The Marys of the Bible: The Original #MeToo Movement by Boaz Johnson,

Daring Joy: What Six Women in the Bible Teach Us About the Power of Celebration When It Feels Risky, Complicated, and Even Impossible by Nicole Zasowski.

About RT Dialogue

Welcome to RT Dialogue with co-hosts Lance Ahl and Rhett Smith, LMFT. This podcast is about making connections, building community, and learning and practicing the model of Restoration Therapy together. Each episode features conversations with Restoration Therapy practitioners, leaders, and friends of the RT community about how the model shapes therapy, coaching, leadership, and everyday relationships.

Episode links and resources:
You can find all links mentioned in each episode on our Spotify and Substack pages.

Connect with the hosts: Rhett Smith and Lance Ahl

Learn more about: Restoration Therapy

Listen and subscribe on: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, YouTube, and Substack.

We really loved today's episode for a lot of reasons, but in particular Bisola Adediji is our first LMFT-A (associate) that we have had on the podcast, so we were really looking forward to hearing her newer journey coming into RT.

Bisola is a therapist at Resilient Roots Counseling in Garland, TX and she shared about her passions for working with the mother-daughter relationship, and working with immigrants, particularly from Africa, where she is a "1.5" generation from Nigeria -- born in New York and raised in Alabama.

When speaking of Restoration Therapy she said something that really caught my attention -- "God arrested me with RT". How many of us in the RT community can echo that sentiment -- where it feels like we encountered RT and that was it.

Bisola has a lot of interests and we are really excited for her voice and the ongoing contributions we know she will be making to this community and many others for years to come.

Make sure to check out Bisola on Instagram

Books Mentioned in the Episode

Restoration Therapy: Understanding and Guiding Healing in Marriage and Family Therapy by Terry Hargrave and Franz Pfizer

Advances and Techniques in Restoration Therapy by Terry Hargrave, Nicole Zasowski and Miyoung Yoon Hammer

Your Pain Has a Name: A Therapist's Invitation to Understanding Your Story and Sorting Out Who You Are from What Hurts by Monica DiCristina

The Garden Within: Where the War with Your Emotions Ends and Your Most Powerful Life Begins by Anita Phillips

The Mindful Marriage: Create Your Best Relationship Through Understanding and Managing Yourself by Ron and Nan Deal

The Teenage Brain: A Neuroscientist's Survival Guide to Raising Adolescents and Young Adults by Frances Jensen and Amy Ellis Nutt

Things Fall Apart by Chinua Achebe

The Ragamuffin Gospel: Good News for the Bedraggled, Beat Up, and Burnt Out by Brennan Manning

Atlas of the Heart: Mapping Meaningful Connection and the Language of Human Experience by Brene Brown

The Upgrade: How the Female Brain Gets Stronger and Better in Midlife and Beyond by Louann Brizendine

About RT Dialogue

Welcome to RT Dialogue with co-hosts Lance Ahl and Rhett Smith, LMFT. This podcast is about making connections, building community, and learning and practicing the model of Restoration Therapy together. Each episode features conversations with Restoration Therapy practitioners, leaders, and friends of the RT community about how the model shapes therapy, coaching, leadership, and everyday relationships.

Episode links and resources:
You can find all links mentioned in each episode on our Spotify and Substack pages.

Connect with the hosts: Rhett Smith and Lance Ahl

Learn more about: Restoration Therapy

Listen and subscribe on: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, YouTube, and Substack.