Rules of the Frame

Connor & Jon get spooked out by Tim Burton's claymation adaptation of his short film: Frankenweenie. Jon gets freaked out by the teeth, Connor is frustrated by the Laika-esque animation, and the two just can't seem to agree on whether this film is a rip-off or a remake.

WARNING: Major spoilers for Frankenweenie and Frankenstein

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• Frankenweenie (2012) | Dir. Tim Burton
• Edward Scissorhands (1990) | Dir. Tim Burton
• Frankenstein (1931) | Dir. James Whale
• The Nightmare Before Christmas (1993) | Dir. Henry Selick
• James and the Giant (1996) | Dir. Henry Selick
• Corpse Bride (2005) | Dir. Tim Burton
• E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial (1982) | Dir. Steven Spielberg
• Vincent (1982) | Dir. Tim Burton
• Frankenweenie (1984) | Dir. Tim Burton
• Pinocchio (1940) | Dir. Norman Ferguson
• Batman Returns (1992) | Dir. Tim Burton
• Beetlejuice (1988) | Dir. Tim Burton
• Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street (2007) | Dir. Tim Burton
• Young Frankenstein (1974) | Dir. Mel Brooks
• The Son of Frankenstein (1939) | Dir. Rowland V. Lee
• Ready Player One (2018) | Dir. Steven Spielberg
• Winnie the Pooh (2011) | Dir. Stephen J. Anderson & Don Hall
• Coraline (2009) | Dir. Henry Selick
• ParaNorman (2012) | Dir. Chris Butler & Sam Fell
• Boxtrolls (2014) | Dir. Graham Annable & Anthony Stacchi
• Big Fish (2003) | Dir. Tim Burton
• Alice in Wonderland (2010) | Dir. Tim Burton
• Planet of the Apes (2001) | Dir. Tim Burton
• Dark Shadows (2012) | Dir. Tim Burton
• John Carter (2012) | Dir. Andrew Stanton
• Super 8 (2011) | Dir. J.J. Abrams
• Kubo and the Two Strings (2016) | Dir. Travis Knight
• Blade Runner 2049 (2017) | Dir. Denis Villeneuve
• The Batman (2022) | Dir. Matt Reeves

Connor & Jon are reluctantly dragged to space as they try to decipher James Gray's opaque space road movie. The boys try to figure out how much it is inspired by Apocalypse, Now or by Heart of Darkness. Connor is amazed by the visuals, but disappointed by the outcome and Jon rags on the film the whole time.

WARNING: Major spoilers for Ad Astra and Apocalypse, Now

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• Ad Astra (2019) | Dir. James Gray
• Apocalypse, Now (1979) | Dir. Francis Ford Coppola
• Joker (2019) | Dir. Todd Phillips
• Gravity (2013) | Dir. Alfonso Cuaron
• Interstellar (2014) | Dir. Christopher Nolan
• First Man (2018) | Dir. Damien Chazelle
• Moon (2009) | Dir. Duncan Jones
• Blade Runner 2049 (2017) | Dir. Denis Villeneuve
• Joker (2019) | Dir. Todd Phillips
• Slow West (2015) | Dir. John Maclean
• The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford (2007) | Dir. Andrew Dominik
• The Tree of Life (2011) | Dir. Terrence Malick
• The Royal Tenenbaums (2001) | Dir. Wes Anderson

Connor & Jon are joined by Thatcher Radler to discuss Joker and why it pulled so much from King of Comedy and Taxi Driver. Jon is bothered by the messiness of the Batman and DC universe. Connor can't stand the film's tone of uber-serious. Thatcher progressively realizes how much of a rip-off this film is.

WARNING: Major spoilers for Joker, minor spoilers for Taxi Driver & King of Comedy

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• Joker (2019) | Dir. Todd Phillips
• King of Comedy (1982) | Dir. Martin Scorsese
• War Dogs (2016) | Dir. Todd Phillips
• The Batman (2022) | Dir. Matt Reeves
• Taxi Driver (1976) | Dir. Martin Scorsese
• The Dark Knight (2008) | Dir. Christopher Nolan
• Batman (1989) | Dir. Tim Burton
• Once Upon a Time in Hollywood (2019) | Dir. Quentin Tarantino
• The Village (2004) | Dir. M. Night Shyamalan
• Split (2016) | Dir. M. Night Shyamalan
• Sleepers (1996) | Dir. Barry Levinson
• The Shining (1980) | Dir. Stanley Kubrick
• Fight Club (1999) | Dir. David Fincher
• Se7en (1995) | Dir. David Fincher
• The Game (1997) | Dir. David Fincher
• Batman Begins (2005) | Dir. Christopher Nolan
• The Dark Knight Rises (2012) | Dir. Christopher Nolan
• Batman Returns (1992) | Dir. Tim Burton
• Batman Forever (1995) | Dir. Joel Schumacher
• Batman & Robin (1997) | Dir. Joel Schumacher
• X2: X-Men United (2003) | Dir. Bryan Singer
• Iron Man (2008) | Dir. Jon Favreau
• Thor: Ragnarok (2017) | Dir. Taika Waititi
• Dr. Strange in the Multiverse of Madness (2022) | Dir. Sam Raimi
• Super 8 (2011) | Dir. J.J. Abrams

Connor & Jon are joined by Dillon Worthington to figure out how well The Last Duel harnesses Rashomon's storytelling technique. Jon wonders if Scott was the right choice of director. Connor tries to figure out why they didn't let Nicole write the entire script. And Dillon ponders who this movie is for.

WARNING: Major spoilers for The Last Duel and Rashomon

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Films mentioned in this episode:

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• The Last Duel (2021) | Dir. Ridley Scott
• Rashomon (1950) | Dir. Akira Kurosawa
• The Shape of Water (2017) | Dir. Guillermo Del Toro
• The Martian (2015) | Dir. Ridley Scott
• Good Will Hunting (1997) | Dir. Gus Van Sant
• House of Gucci (2021) | Dir. Ridley Scott
• Ready Player One (2018) | Dir. Steven Spielberg
• The Post (2017) | Dir. Steven Spielberg
• Black Widow (2021) | Dir. Cate Shortland
• All the Money in the World (2017) | Dir. Ridley Scott
• Blade Runner (1982) | Dir. Ridley Scott
• Gladiator (2000) | Dir. Ridley Scott
• Robin Hood (2010) | Dir. Ridley Scott
• The Passion of Joan of Arc (1928) | Dir. Carl Theodor Dreyer
• Kingdom of Heaven (2005) | Dir. Ridley Scott
• The Duellists (1977) | Dir. Ridley Scott
• The Lord of the Rings Trilogy (2001-2003) | Dir. Peter Jackson
• Willow (1988) | Dir. Ron Howard
• Excalibur (1981) | Dir. John Boorman
• Braveheart (1995) | Dir. Mel Gibson
• The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe (2005) | Dir. Andrew Adamson
• Alien (1979) | Dir. Ridley Scott
• Prometheus (2012) | Dir. Ridley Scott
• Alien: Covenant (2017) | Dir. Ridley Scott
• G.I. Jane (1997) | Dir. Ridley Scott
• Thelma & Louise (1991)| Dir. Ridley Scott
• Unforgiven (1992) | Dir. Clint Eastwood
• How to Train Your Dragon (2010) | Dir. Dean DeBlois & Chris Sanders

Connor & Jon start off the new series by analyzing Super 8 and its predecessor E.T. Is it purely an homage, and does it count as one since Spielberg worked on it? Is it to be blamed for the boom in 80's nostalgia? Is it an effective piece of storytelling? Listen in to find out!

WARNING: Major spoilers for Super 8, minor spoilers for E.T.

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Films mentioned in this episode:

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• Super 8 (2011) | Dir. J.J. Abrams
• E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial (1982) | Dir. Steven Spielberg
• Jurassic Park (1993) | Dir. Steven Spielberg
• Schindler's List (1993) | Dir. Steven Spielberg
• Dazed & Confused (1993) | Dir. Richard Linklater
• Everybody Wants Some (2016) | Dir. Richard Linklater
• Star Wars (1977) | Dir. George Lucas
• Mission Impossible III (2006) | Dir. J.J. Abrams
• Star Trek (2009) | Dir. J.J. Abrams
• The Goonies (1985) | Dir. Richard Donner
• Poltergeist (1982) | Dir. Tobe Hooper
• Cloverfield (2008) | Dir. Matt Reeves
• Jaws (1975) | Dir.  Steven Spielberg
• Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015) | Dir. J.J. Abrams
• Alice in Wonderland (2010) | Dir. Tim Burton
• Tron: Legacy (2010) | Dir. Joseph Kosinski
• Oblivion (2013) | Dir. Joseph Kosinski
• Only the Brave (2017) | Dir. Joseph Kosinski
• Top Gun: Maverick (2022) | Dir. Joseph Kosinski
• The Fugitive (1993) | Dir. Andrew Davis
• The Iron Giant (1999) | Dir. Brad Bird
• Ready Player One (2018) | Dir. Steven Spielberg
• Finding Nemo (2003) | Dir. Andrew Stanton & Lee Unkrich
• The Princess Diaries (2001) | Garry Marshall
• First Man (2018) | Dir. Damien Chazelle
• Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (2019) | Dir. J.J. Abrams
• Star Trek Into Darkness (2013) | Dir. J.J. Abrams
• Schindler's List (1993) | Dir. Steven Spielberg
• Jurassic World (2015) | Dir. Colin Trevorrow

Connor & Jon set up the stage for their new series: Retelling or Rip-Off. They make the distinction on what films are eligible, and that this is not dedicated to official remakes or adaptions, but to films that walk the line of inspiration and stealing.

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Connor and Jon bring on too many guests to discuss Tommy Wiseau's labor of love: The Room. Connor Gooderl tries to piece together Tommy's mysterious past, Tim goes on about the non-stop moaning, Daniel secretly watches YouTube videos, and Zach weaves a poetic tapestry of the true meaning and intent of The Room.

WARNING: Major spoilers for The Room

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Films mentioned in this episode:

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• The Room (2003) | Dir. Tommy Wiseau
• Jack and Jill (2011) | Dir. Dennis Dugan
• Birdemic: Shock and Terror (2010) | Dir. James Nguyen
• The Talented Mr. Ripley (1999) | Dir. Anthony Minghella
• The Disaster Artist (2017) | Dir. James Franco
• Vampire's Kiss (1988) | Dir. Robert Bierman
• There Will Be Blood (2007) | Dir. Paul Thomas Anderson
• The Dark Knight (2008) | Dir. Christopher Nolan
• The Mummy (1999) | Dir. Stephen Sommers
• Die Hard (1988) | Dir. John McTiernan

Connor & Jon grab a milkshake with musician and filmmaker Erick Frost and talk about the subversive oil epic: There Will Be Blood. Connor is happy because the film is a non-traditional slow western. Jon is happy because the film is based on an obscure part of history. And Erick is happy because the film is innovative in its use of lenses and practical effects.

WARNING: Major spoilers for There Will Be Blood, minor spoilers for No Country for Old Men

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Films mentioned in this episode:

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• There Will Be Blood (2007) | Dir. Paul Thomas Anderson
• The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003) | Dir. Peter Jackson
• Fast Food Nation (2006) | Dir. Richard Linklater
• Punch-Drunk Love (2002) | Dir. Paul Thomas Anderson
• No Country For Old Men (2007) | Dir. Joel & Ethan Coen
• The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford (2007) | Dir. Andrew Dominik
• Being John Malkovich (1999) | Dir. Spike Jn
• Sunshine (2007) | Dir. Danny Boyle
• The Dark Knight (2008) | Dir. Christopher Nolan
• The Dark Knight Rises (2012) | Dir.  Christopher Nolan
• The Avengers (2012) | Dir. Joss Whedon
• Juno (2007) | Dir. Jason Reitman
• Sound of Metal (2019) | Dir. Darius Marder
• Parasite (2019)| Dir. Bong Joon Ho
• Hell or High Water (2016) | Dir. David Mackenzie
• My Big Fat Greek Wedding (2002) | Dir. Joel Zwick
• O Brother, Where Art Thou (2000) | Dir. Joel & Ethan Coen
• WALL-E (2008) | Dir. Andrew Stanton
• Basic Instinct (1992) | Dir. Paul Verhoeven
• 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) | Dir. Stanley Kubrick
• The Shining (1980) | Dir. Stanley Kubrick
• A Clockwork Orange (1972) | Dir.  Stanley Kubrick
• A.I. Artificial Intelligence (2001) | Dir. Steven Spielberg
• Hard Eight (1996) | Dir. Paul Thomas Anderson
• Boogie Nights (1997) | Dir. Paul Thomas Anderson
• Magnolia (2000) | Dir . Paul Thomas Anderson
• The Power of the Dog (2021) | Dir.  Jane Campion
• Gangs of New York (2002) | Dir. Martin Scorsese
• Lincoln (2012) | Dir. Steven Spielberg
• Morbius (2022) | Dir. Daniel Espinosa
• The Batman (2022) | Dir. Matt Reeves
• Blade Runner 2049 (2017) | Dir. Denis Villeneuve
• Dallas Buyers Club (2013) | Dir. Jean-Marc Vallee
• House of Gucci (2021) | Dir. Ridley Scott
• Venom (2018) | Dir. Ruben Fleischer
• Once Upon a Time in America (1984) | Dir. Sergio Leone
• Jack and Jill (2011) | Dir. Dennis Dugan

Connor & Jon dive into the big blue with Michael Kelley to discuss the aquatic cinematic masterpiece: Finding Nemo. Of course there is a fair amount of discussion on the state of animation, Michael tells how the film affected his relationship with his family, Connor just wants to talk about the score, and Jon can't remember all of Dory's misremembered names for Nemo.

WARNING: Major spoilers for Finding Nemo

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Films mentioned in this episode:

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• Finding Nemo (2003) | Dir. Andrew Stanton
• A Series of Unfortunate Events (2004) | Dir. Brad Silberling
• Toy Story (1995) | Dir. John Lasseter
• The Lion King (1994) | Dir. Roger Allers & Rob Minkoff
• A Bug's Life (1998) | Dir. John Lasseter & Andrew Stanton
• Toy Story 2 (1999) | Dir. John Lasseter, Ash Brannon, Lee Unkrich
• The Incredibles (2004) | Dir. Brad Bird
• Monsters Inc. (2001) | Dir. Pete Docter, David Silverman, Lee Unkrich
• WALL-E (2008) | Dir. Andrew Stanton
• Toy Story 3 (2010) | Dir. Lee Unkrich
• Raya and the Last Dragon (2021) | Dir. Don Hall, Carlos Lopez Estrada, Paul Briggs, John Ripa
• The Dark Knight (2008) | Dir. Christopher Nolan
• Toy Story 4 (2019) | Dir. Josh Cooley
• Finding Dory (2016) | Dir. Andrew Stanton & Angus MacLane
• The Lego Movie (2014) | Dir. Phil Lord & Chris Miller
• Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse (2018) | Dir. Bob Persichetti, Peter Ramsey, Rodney Rothman
• Ratatouille (2007) | Dir. Brad Bird
• Shark Tale (2004) | Dir. Bibo Bergeron, Vicky Jenson, Rob Letterman
• Luca (2021) | Dir. Enrico Casarosa
• Brave (2012) | Dir. Brenda Chapman, Mark Andrews, & Steve Purcell
• The Good Dinosaur (2015) | Dir. Peter Sohn
• Tarzan (1999) | Dir. Chris Buck & Kevin Lima
• Citizen Kane (1941) | Dir. Orson Welles
• Star Wars (1977) | Dir. George Lucas
• Antz (1998) | Dir. Eric Darnell & Tim Johnson

Connor & Jon are joined by Alan Sisto and Shawn Marchese of The Prancing Pony Podcast to talk about the Middle Earth Masterpiece: The Return of the King. The four ponder the strange filmic history of The Lord of the Rings. Shawn and Alan use Tolkien's letter to Ackerman to evaluate whether Jackson did a good job of adapting the books. Connor gushes over the sound design and Jon's mind is changed on the ending of the film.

WARNING: Major spoilers for The Lord of the Rings, minor spoilers for Star Wars: Episodes 6 & 9,

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Films mentioned in this episode:

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• The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003) | Dir. Peter Jackson
• The Book Thief (2013) | Dir. Brian Percival
• The Batman (2022) | Dir. Matt Reeves
• The Eternals (2021) | Dir. Chloe Zhao
• The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (2001) | Dir. Peter Jackson
• The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (2002) | Dir. Peter Jackson
• The Thing (1982) | Dir. John Carpenter
• Help! (1965) | Dir. Richard Lester
• Excalibur (1981) | Dir. John Boorman
• The Lord of the Rings (1978) | Dir. Ralph Bakshi
• The Hobbit (1977) | Dir. Arthur Rankin Jr. & Jules Bass
• The Return of the King (1980) | Dir. Arthur Rankin Jr. & Jules Bass
• Heavenly Creatures (1994) | Dir. Peter Jackson
• The Frighteners (1996) | Dir. Peter Jackson
• The Star Wars Sequel Trilogy (2015-2019) | Dir. J.J. Abrams & Rian Johnson
• The Star Wars Original Trilogy (1977-1983) | Dir. George Lucas, Irvin Kershner, Richard Marquand
• The Star Wars Prequel Trilogy (1999-2005) | Dir. George Lucas
• The Indiana Jones Trilogy (1981-1989) | Dir. Steven Spielberg
• Jaws (1975) | Dir. Steven Spielberg
• The Godfather Trilogy (1972-1990) | Dir. Francis Ford Coppola
• The Hobbit Trilogy (2012-2014) | Dir. Peter Jackson
• Monty Python and the Holy Grail (1975) | Dir. Terry Gilliam & Terry Jones
• Bad Taste (1987) | Dir. Peter Jackson
• Meet the Feebles (1989) | Dir. Peter Jackson
• Forgotten Silver (1995) | Dir. Peter Jackson
• King Kong (1933) | Dir. Merian C. Cooper & Ernest B. Schoedsack