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Connor & Jon want to give you an inside look at the process behind choosing which films go into our series. They try to determine the criteria and what really are the "Top 5 Films of the 2010s." They are thrilled by some choices and dismayed by others. This new series is gonna be interesting.

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Connor & Jon finish off the series with a film that had great ambition, but fell short of the imagined product: David Lynch's Dune. The two argue over what qualities drove Lynch to make the film, whether the Dune sequels can be adapted, and forget to even mention the great score by Toto!!

WARNING: Major spoilers for Dune

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Films mentioned in this episode:

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• Dune (1984) | Dir. David Lynch
• Star Wars (1977) | Dir. George Lucas
• Alien (1979) | Dir. Ridley Scott
• Eraserhead (1977) | Dir. David Lynch
• The Elephant Man (1980) | Dir. David Lynch
• Star Wars: Episode VI - The Return of the Jedi (1983) | Dir. Richard Marquand
• 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) | Dir. Stanley Kubrick
• The Lord of the Rings (1978) | Dir. Ralph Bakshi
• The Lord of the Rings Trilogy (2001-2003) | Dir. Peter Jackson
• Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallow Part 1 & 2 (2010-2011) | Dir. David Yates
• Blade Runner 2049 (2017) | Dir. Denis Villeneuve
• 2010 (1984) | Dir. Peter Hyams
• Avatar (2009) | Dir. James Cameron
• The Straight Story (1999) | Dir. David Lynch
• Jodorowsky's Dune (2013) | Dir. Frank Pavich
• Blade Runner (1982) | Dir. Ridley Scott
• One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1975) | Dir. Milos Forman
• The Fifth Element (1997) | Dir. Luc Besson
• Blue Velvet (1986) | Dir. David Lynch

Connor and Jon are left nearly speechless by the tastelessness of the film that "Hollywood doesn't want you to see." There's good reason for that slogan as it is nearly unbearable to watch. Even so, the boys slug through the film and rag on this weird part of film history that is better left forgotten.

WARNING: Major spoilers for An Alan Smithee Film: Burn Hollywood Burn

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Films mentioned in this episode:

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• An Alan Smithee Film: Burn Hollywood Burn (1997) | Dir. Arthur Hiller(Alan Smithee)
• The Big Short (2015) | Dir. Adam McKay
• Death of a Gunfighter (1969) | Dir. Don Siegel & Robert Totten(Allen Smithee)
• Vice (2018) | Dir. Adam McKay
• Bowfinger (1999) | Dir. Frank Oz
• Showgirls (1995) | Dir. Paul Verhoeven
• This is Spinal Tap (1984) | Dir. Rob Reiner
• Network (1976) | Dir. Sidney Lumet
• Taxi Driver (1976) | Dir. Martin Scorsese
• Joker (2019) | Dir. Todd Phillips
• Rashomon (1950) | Dir. Akira Kurosawa
• Barton Fink (1991) | Dir.  Joel & Ethan Coen
• The Room (2003) | Dir. Tommy Wiseau
• Deadpool (2016) | Dir. Tim Miller
• Barry Lyndon (1975) | Dir. Stanley Kubrick
• Paper Moon (1973) | Dir. Peter Bogdanovich
• Ghost (1990) | Dir. Jerry Zucker
• Battlefield Earth (2000) | Dir. Roger Christian

Connor & Jon are joined by Andrew Lewis to discuss James Cameron's debut film: Piranha II. They discover that the film is nowhere near as fun as they thought it would be. Due to that realization they discuss what is good camp, if they learned anything about Cameron from this, and how the film relates to Jaws.

WARNING: Major spoilers for Piranha II & The Grey, minor spoilers for Avatar & The Abyss

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Films mentioned in this episode:

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• Piranha II: The Spawning (1981) | Dir. James Cameron
• The King of Kong: A Fistul of Quarters (2007) | Dir. Seth Gordon
• The Sugarland Express (1974) | Dir. Steven Spielberg
• Highball (1997) | Dir. Noah Baumbach
• Kicking and Screaming (1995) | Dir. Noah Baumbach
• The Squid and the Whale (2005) | Dir. Noah Baumbach
• Margot at the Wedding (2007) | Dir. Noah Baumbach
• True Lies (1994) | Dir. James Cameron
• The Terminator (1984) | Dir. James Cameron
• Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991) | Dir. James Cameron
• Piranha 3-D (2010) | Dir. Alexandre Aja
• The Dark Knight Rises (2012) | Dir. Christopher Nolan
• Jaws (1975) | Dir. Steven Spielberg
• Aliens (1986) | Dir. James Cameron
• Titanic (1997) | Dir. James Cameron
• Lethal Weapon (1987) | Dir. Richard Donner
• Piranha (1978) | Dir. Joe Dante
• Them! (1954) | Dir. Gordon Douglas
• Fear and Desire (1953) | Dir. Stanley Kubrick
• Eyes Wide Shut (1999) | Dir.  Stanley Kubrick
• Toy Story (1995) | Dir. John Lasseter
• Piranha 3DD (2012) | Dir. John Gulager
• Little Shop of Horrors (1986) | Dir. Frank Oz
• Little Shop of Horrors (1960) | Dir. Roger Corman
• Alien (1979) | Dir. Ridley Scott
• Alita: Battle Angel (2019) | Dir. Robert Rodriguez
• Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977) | Dir. Steven Spielberg
• Forbidden Planet (1956) | Dir. Fred M. Wilcox
• Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981) | Dir. Steven Spielberg
• Duel (1971) | Dir. Steven Spielberg
• Heaven's Gate (1980) | Dir. Michael Cimino
• Avatar (2009) | Dir. James Cameron
• Gravity (2013) | Dir. Alfonso Cuaron
• Coraline (2009) | Dir. Henry Selick
• Ishtar (1987) | Dir. Elaine May
• Pearl Harbor (2001) | Dir. Michael Bay
• Robocop (1987) | Dir. Paul Verhoeven
• Burn After Reading (2008) | Dir. Joel & Ethan Coen
• Battle Beyond the Stars (1980) | Dir. Jimmy T. Murakami & Roger Corman
• Sharknado (2013) | Dir. Anthony C. Ferrante
• Couples Retreat (2009) | Dir. Peter Billingsley
• Grown Ups (2010) | Dir. Dennis Dugan
• Grown Ups 2 (2013) | Dir. Dennis Dugan

Connor & Jon bring in Elise Yeomans to crack open the Disney vault and discuss The Black Cauldron. The hosts think the film should be locked away, while Elise makes some good cases on its worth and originality. It's a fascinating story of a media giant's darkest time and the road it paved to create some of the greatest animated films of all time.

WARNING: Major spoilers for The Black Cauldron

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Films mentioned in this episode:

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• The Black Cauldron (1985) | Dir. Ted Berman & Richard Rich
• Ishtar (1987) | Dir. Elaine May
• A Scanner Darkly (2006) | Dir. Richard Linklater
• Robin Hood (1973) | Dir. Wolfgang Reitherman & David Hand
• The Aristocats (1970) | Dir. Wolfgang Reitherman
• The Rescuers (1977) | Dir. John Lounsbery, Wolfgang Reitherman & Art Stevens
• Tangled (2010) | Dir. Nathan Greno & Bryan Howard
• Waking Sleeping Beauty (2009) | Dir. Don Hahn
• The Lord of the Rings (1978) | Dir. Ralph Bakshi
• Peter Pan (1953) | Dir. Clyde Geronimi, Wilfred Jackson, Hamilton Luske & Jack Kinney
• The Jungle Book (1967) | Dir. Wolfgang Reitherman
• Sleeping Beauty (1959) | Dir. Clyde Geronimi, Les Clark, Hamilton Luske & Wolfgang Reitherman
• Alice in Wonderland (1951) | Dir. Clyde Geronimi, Wilfred Jackson, Hamilton Luske & Jack Kinney
• One Hundred and One Dalmatians (1961) | Dir. Clyde Geronimi, Hamilton Luske, Wolfgang Reitherman
• The Secret of Kells (2009) | Dir. Tom Moore, Nora Twomey
• The Chronicles of Narnia: The Voyage of the Dawn Treader (2010) | Dir. Michael Apted
• Brave (2012) | Dir. Mark Andrews, Brenda Chapman & Steve Purcell
• The Lord of the Rings Trilogy (2001-2003) | Dir. Peter Jackson
• Pinocchio (1940) | Dir. Norman Ferguson, T. Hee, Wilfred Jackson, Jack Kinney, Hamilton Luske, Bill Roberts & Ben Sharpsteen
• Lilo & Stitch (2002) | Dir. Dean DeBlois & Chris Sanders
• The Emperor's New Groove (2000) | Dir. Mark Dindal
• The Rescuers Down Under (1990) | Dir. Hendel Butoy & Mike Gabriel
• The Great Mouse Detective (1986) | Dir. Ron Clements, Burny Mattinson, David Michener & John Musker
• Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981) | Dir. Steven Spielberg
• Wizards (1977) | Dir. Ralph Bakshi
• The Thief and the Cobbler (1993) | Dir.  Richard Williams
• The Last Unicorn (1982) | Dir. Jules Bass & Arthur Rankin Jr.
• Home on the Range (2004) | Dir. Will Finn & John Sanford
• Treasure Planet (2002) | Dir. John Musker & Ron Clements
• Atlantis: The Lost Empire (2001) | Dir. Gary Trousdale & Kirk Wise
• Tarzan (1999) | Dir. Chris Buck & Kevin Lima
• The Fox and the Hound (1981) | Dir. Ted Berman, Richard Rich, Art Stevens, David Hand & Wolfgang Reitherman
• Oliver & Company (1988) | Dir. George Scribner
• The Swan Princess (1994) | Dir. Richard Rich
• The King and I (1999) | Dir. Richard Rich
• The Trumpet of the Swan (2001) | Dir. Richard Rich & Terry L. Noss

Connor & Jon discuss one of the most infamous box-office bombs of all time: Ishtar! In order to adequately cover the impact of this film they bring in Connor's father Rod Reed, one of the few people who actually saw it in theaters. They all come to the consensus that it's actually a pretty great film and would each gladly watch it again.

WARNING: Major spoilers for Ishtar

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Films mentioned in this episode:

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• Ishtar (1987) | Dir. Elaine May
• 12 Angry Men (1957) | Dir. Sidney Lumet
• Step Brothers (2008) | Dir. Adam McKay
• The Graduate (1967) | Dir. Mike Nichols
• Mikey & Nicky (1976) | Dir. Elaine May
• Heaven Can Wait (1978) | Dir. Warren Beatty & Buck Henry
• Reds (1981) | Dir. Warren Beatty
• Tootsie (1982)| Dir. Sydney Pollack
• Planes, Trains & Automobiles  (1987) | Dir. John Hughes
• Central Intelligence (2016) | Dir. Rawson Marshall Thurber
• Burn After Reading (2008) | Dir. Joel & Ethan Coen
• Tropic Thunder (2008) | Dir. Ben Stiller
• The Informant (2009) | Dir. Steven Soderbergh
• Dick Tracy (1990) | Dir. Warren Beatty
• The Conformist (1970) | Dir. Bernardo Bertolucci
• Apocalypse Now (1979) | Dir. Francis Ford Coppola
• Lawrence of Arabia (1962) | Dir. David Lean
• Mean Streets (1973) | Dir. Martin Scorsese
• Heaven's Gate (1980) | Dir. Michael Cimino
• Star Wars Trilogy (1977-83) | Dir. George Lucas, Irvin Kershner, & Richard Marquand
• Ghostbusters (1984) | Dir. Ivan Reitman
• Ferris Bueller's Day Off (1986) | Dir. John Hughes
• Days of Thunder (1990) | Dir. Tony Scott
• Fantastic Four (2015) | Dir. Josh Trank & Stephen E. Rivkin
• The Blues Brothers (1980) | Dir. John Landis
• This is Spinal Tap (1984) | Dir. Rob Reiner
• Raising Arizona (1987) | Dir. Joel & Ethan Coen
• Duck Soup (1933) | Dir. Leo McCarey
• Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1964) | Dir. Stanley Kubrick
• Scary Movie (2000) | Dir. Keenan Ivory Wayans
• Epic Movie (2007) | Dir. Jason Friedberg & Aaron Seltzer
• The Pink Panther (1963) | Dir. Blake Edwards

Connor & Jon are so appalled(& bored) that they have to bring in Star Wars expert Chris Ridings, to help keep them awake. He shares about what it's like to live Star Wars every day working at Disney World's Batuu. Jon is disappointed by how much of the Holiday Special is still canon. And Connor isn't very impressed with the lauded Boba Fett cartoon.

WARNING: Major spoilers for The Star Wars Holiday Special, minor spoilers for The Last Jedi

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Films mentioned in this episode:

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• The Star Wars Holiday Special (1978) | Dir. David Acomba & Steve Binder
• Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope (1977) | Dir.  George Lucas
• Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back (1980) | Dir. Irvin Kershner
• 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) | Dir.  Stanley Kubrick
• Star Wars: Episode VI - The Return of the Jedi (1983) | Dir. Richard Marquand
• Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace (1999) | Dir. George Lucas
• Star Wars: Episode III - The Revenge of the Sith (2005) | Dir. George Lucas
• Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015) | Dir. J.J. Abrams
• Star Wars: Episode VIII - The Last Jedi (2017) | Dir. Rian Johnson
• Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (2019) | Dir. J.J. Abrams
• Groundhog Day (1993) | Dir. Harold Ramis
• A Cosmic Christmas (1977) | Dir. Clive Smith
• Wizards (1977) | Dir.  Ralph Bakshi
• Kindergarten Cop (1990) | Dir. Ivan Reitman
• Junior (1994) | Dir. Ivan Reitman
• The Princess Bride (1987) | Dir. Rob Reiner

Connor & Jon dig through the VHS' to find Noah Baumbach's forgotten (or thrown out) third film. They try to guess at what the intended purpose of the film was and why Eric Stoltz didn't play the main character. But hey, it's gotta be hard trying to make a film in 6 days.

WARNING: Major spoilers for Highball

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Films mentioned  in this episode:

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• Highball (1997) | Dir. Noah Baumbach
• Mr. Jealousy (1997) | Dir. Noah Baumbach
• Barry Lyndon (1975) | Dir. Stanley Kubrick
• Kicking and Screaming (1995) | Dir.  Noah Baumbach
• Boyhood (2014) | Dir. Richard Linklater
• Marriage Story (2019) | Dir. Noah Baumbach
• Cloud Atlas (2012) | Dir. The Wachowskis, Tom Tykwer
• The Big Lebowski (1998) | Dir. The Coen Brothers
• Pulp Fiction (1994) | Dir. Quentin Tarantino
• My Dinner with Andre (1981) | Dir. Louis Malle
• Harvey (1950) | Dir. Henry Koster
• The Room (2003) | Dir. Tommy Wiseau
• Blades of Glory (2007) | Dir. Josh Gordon, Will Speck
• Rudy (1993) | Dir. David Anspaugh
• The Squid and the Whale (2005) | Dir. Noah Baumbach

Connor & Jon are joined by their old co-worker, Travis Olson, to dig into Stanley Kubrick's worst film. They try to find his roots and genius in this snooze-fest of a war film. And ponder whether the director's wishes towards their finished products should be followed and if it's a waste of resources restoring a bad film?

WARNING: Major spoilers for Fear and Desire, minor spoilers for It's a Wonderful Life & Bridge on the River Kwai

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Films mentioned in this episode:

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• Fear and Desire (1953)| Dir. Stanley Kubrick
• Catwoman (2004) | Dir. Pitof
• Metropolis (1927) | Dir. Fritz Lang
• Killer's Kiss (1955) | Dir. Stanley Kubrick
• Paths of Glory (1957) | Dir. Stanley Kubrick
• Full Metal Jacket (1987) | Dir. Stanley Kubrick
• 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) | Dir. Stanley Kubrick
• Barry Lyndon (1975)  | Dir. Stanley Kubrick
• Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1964) | Dir. Stanley Kubrick
• Lolita (1962) | Dir: Stanley Kubrick
• Eyes Wide Shut (1999) | Dir. Stanley Kubrick
• The Day of the Fight (1951) | Dir.  Stanley Kubrick
• The Flying Padre (1951)| Dir. Stanley Kubrick
• The Killing (1956) | Dir. Stanley Kubrick
• It's A Wonderful Life (1946) | Dir. Frank Capra
• Bridge on the River Kwai (1957) | Dir. David Lean
• Apocalypse Now (1979) | Dir. Francis Ford Coppola
• Platoon (1986) | Dir. Oliver Stone
• Rashomon (1950) | Dir. Akira Kurosawa
• Who's That Knocking at My Door (1967) | Dir. Martin Scorsese
• Following (1998) | Dir. Christopher Nolan
• The Sixth Sense (1999) | Dir. M. Night Shyamalan
• Signs (2002) | Dir. M. Night Shyamalan
• The Village (2004) | Dir. M. Night Shyamalan
• Unbreakable (2000)| Dir. M. Night Shyamalan
• The Seafarers (1953)| Dir.  Stanley Kubrick
• Spartacus (1960) | Dir.  Stanley Kubrick
• Birdman or (The Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance) (2014) | Dir. Alejandro G. Inarritu
• The Revenant (2015) | Dir. Alejandro G. Inarritu
• A.I. Artificial Intelligence (2001) | Dir. Steven Spielberg
• Schindler's List (1993) | Dir. Steven Spielberg
• Only Yesterday (1991) | Dir. Isao Takahata
• Ivan's Childhood (1962) | Dir. Andrei Tarkovsky
• The Steamroller and the Violin (1961) | Dir. Andrei Tarkovsky
• The Killers (1956) | Dir. Andrei Tarkovsky

Connor & Jon need help tearing into this awful movie, and that's why they brought on their good friend Ed Blizzard to rip Catwoman apart. Ed explains why the film is a disgrace to a great character. Connor rants about Pitof's plan to shoot it like a perfume commercial. Jon can't get over the fact that her powers are derived from a magical cat burp.

WARNING: Major spoilers for Catwoman, minor spoilers for Captain America: Civil War & The Dark Knight Rises

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Films mentioned in this episode:

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• Catwoman (2004) | Dir. Pitof
• 1941 (1979) | Dir. Steven Spielberg
• Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977) | Dir. Steven Spielberg
• 1917 (2019) | Dir. Sam Mendes
• Spider-Man (2002)| Dir. Sam Raimi
• X-Men (2000) | Dir. Bryan Singer
• Batman Returns (1992) | Dir. Tim Burton
• Batman (1989) | Dir. Tim Burton
• Vidocq (2001) | Dir. Pitof
• The Fifth Element (1997) | Dir. Luc Besson
• Blade (1998) | Dir. Stephen Norrington
• Batman Begins (2005) | Dir. Christopher Nolan
• Aquaman (2018) | Dir. James Wan
• Justice League (2017) | Dir. Zack Snyder
• Shazam! (2019) | Dir. David F. Sandberg
• Epic Movie (2007) | Dir. Jason Friedberg, Aaron Seltzer
• Superhero Movie  (2008) | Dir. Craig Mazin
• Iron Man (2008) | Dir. Jon Favreau
• The Dark Knight (2008) | Dir. Christopher Nolan
• Airplane! (1980) | Dir. Jim Abrahams, David Zucker, Jerry Zucker
• Robin Hood: Men in Tights (1993) | Dir. Mel Brooks
• Spaceballs (1987) | Dir. Mel Brooks
• Black Dynamite (2009) | Dir. Scott Sanders
• The Dark Knight Rises (2012) | Dir. Christopher Nolan
• Daredevil (2003) | Dir. Mark Steven Johnson
• Elektra (2005) | Dir. Rob Bowman
• The Avengers (2012) | Dir. Joss Whedon
• Captain America: Civil War (2016) | Dir. Anthony Russo, Joe Russo
• Zoolander (2001) | Dir. Ben Stiller
• Jonah Hex (2010) | Dir. Jimmy Hayward
• Wild Wild West (1999) | Dir. Barry Sonnenfeld
• The Princess Diaries (2001) | Dir. Garry Marshall
• Monster's Ball (2001) | Dir. Marc Forster
• Fantastic Four (2005) | Dir. Tim Story
• Ghost Rider (2007) | Dir. Mark Steven Johnson
• Supergirl (1984) | Dir. Jeannot Szwarc
• Wonder Woman (2017) | Dir. Patty Jenkins
• Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance (2011) | Dir. Neveldine, Taylor
• Fire & Ice (2008) | Dir. Pitof
• Reign of Fire (2002) | Dir. Rob Bowman
• Amelie (2001) | Dir. Jean-Pierre Jeunet
• Delicatessen (1991) | Dir. Marc Caro, Jean-Pierre Jeunet
• The City of Lost Children (1995) | Dir. Marc Caro, Jean-Pierre Jeunet
• Leon: The Professional (1994) | Dir. Luc Besson
• Batman: Year One (2011) | Dir. Sam Liu, Lauren Montgomery
• Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) | Dir. Zack Snyder
• The Blues Brothers (1980) | Dir. John Landis
• Unbreakable (2000) | Dir. M. Night Shyamalan
• Edward Scissorhands (1990) | Dir. Tim Burton