In this engaging podcast episode, Jackie Gaughan, a rising star in the marathon running scene, shares her journey, insights, and experiences in the sport. From her impressive performance at the 2024 California International Marathon to her reflections on the Olympic Trials, Gaughan (just 25) discusses her training strategies, the balance between her running career and a full-time job, and the influences that have shaped her as an athlete.

She also addresses the state of women's marathon running and her aspirations for the future, including her preparation for this spring’s Boston Marathon.

Learn more about Gaughan on her World Athletics profile page.

KEY POINTS IN THE INTERVIEW

00:00

Introduction to Jackie Gaughan

03:01

Jackie's Impressive Performance at CIM

06:01

Training Insights and Fueling Strategies

08:56

Reflections on the Olympic Trials

12:06

Balancing Running and a Full-Time Career

14:45

Coaching and Training Philosophy

18:00

Sponsorship and Investment in Running

21:02

Influences and Inspirations in Running

24:04

Transitioning to the Marathon

26:51

Preparing for the Boston Marathon

29:54

The State of the Sport and Personal Aspirations

WHERE TO FIND "RUNNING: STATE OF THE SPORT"

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"Run Long, Run Healthy" is a weekly newsletter focused on the newest, most scientific, and most useful training advice for runners. It was launched by Amby in 2021, and is now edited by Brady Holmer, exercise physiologist and 2:26 marathon runner.

In this episode of Running State of the Sport, hosts Amby Burfoot and George Hirsch chat with Ray Flynn, a former elite miler and current athlete manager. They discuss Flynn's extensive career in athletics, his experiences at the Olympics, the evolution of athlete management, and the current state of doping in the sport. 

Flynn shares insights on the upcoming (Feb. 8) Milrose Games, the significance of the Wanamaker Mile, and his hopes for the future of track and field. The conversation highlights the importance of collaboration among athletes, coaches, and managers, as well as the need for transparency in doping. 

Key Time Points In Podcast

Introduction to Ray Flynn's Career

08:38

Early Influences and Transition to Running

11:29

Scholarship and Cultural Transition to the US

13:59

NCAA vs European Club System

14:34

Competing with the Best Milers

17:36

Olympic Experiences and Expectations

19:29

Greatest Miler of All Time

21:50

Becoming an Athlete Manager

23:41

Managing Relationships in Athletics

25:29

Deena Kastor and Successful Partnerships

27:35

Doping in Sports and Manager Responsibility

31:08

Paris Olympics and Managing Podium Finishers

34:07

Michael Johnson's Grand Slam Track

36:56

Milrose Games: Insights from a Meet Director

40:02

Comparing Armory and Madison Square Garden

41:58

Inviting Jakob Ingebrigtsen to the Wanamaker Mile

44:05

The Mile vs 1500 Meters Debate

45:35

State of the Sport: Positives and Negatives

51:00

Fairy Godmother Wishes for the Sport

52:44

You can learn more about Flynn's primary business, Flynn Sports Management, here.

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Marathon Handbook is the world’s leading marathon website, with a special focus on trustworthy running information and free, runner-tested training plans for all ability levels.

"Run Long, Run Healthy" is Amby’s weekly newsletter with the newest, most scientific, and most useful training advice for runners.

In this episode, hosts Amby Burfoot and George Hirsch talk with Edwin Moses, a legendary figure in track and field. During his competitive career, he won 122 consecutive 400 meter hurdles races--a streak that lasted almost 10 years, and is unlikely ever to be beaten.

The conversation includes Moses's significant contributions to sports beyond the track, including anti-doping efforts and social change through the Laureus World Sports Academy. Moses shares personal insights on competition, training, and overcoming challenges, while also reflecting on the current state of athletics and the future of the sport.

Key moments in the podcast:

The Legacy of Edwin Moses

07:20

Reliving the Glory: The Documentary Experience

10:18

A Serious Film: Insights from the Documentary

13:16

The Journey of a Champion: Edwin's Early Life

16:09

The Evolution of Track and Field: A Personal Perspective

19:00

The Science of Hurdling: Technique and Strategy

22:04

The Anti-Doping Movement: Edwin's Advocacy

25:17

The Contrast of Eras: Modern Athletes vs. Edwin Moses

35:24

The Long Road to Clean Sports

39:02

Current State of Doping in Athletics

42:34

The Impact of Laureus on Social Change

48:00

The Future of Track and Field

51:38

The Role of the IOC in Athletics

54:28

Reflections on Jimmy Carter

57:35

Overcoming Personal Challenges

01:03:21

The State of Running and Athletics

WHERE TO FIND "RUNNING: STATE OF THE SPORT"

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"Run Long, Run Healthy" is Amby’s weekly newsletter with the newest, most scientific, and most useful training advice for runners.

In this conversation, Susanna Sullivan reviews the highs and lows of her running in 2024. This includes missing the Olympic Marathon Trials in February due to an injury and Covid ... then bouncing back in October with a big marathon PR of 2:21:56 in Chicago. Sullivan has been improving steadily for a handful of years, but that Chicago performance catapulted her to the uppermost rungs of American marathon running. She'll begin her 2025 season in a couple of weeks in the Aramco Houston Half Marathon before racing an as-yet-undisclosed spring marathon. She's also seriously focused on the Tokyo World Championships Marathon in September. Here, she discusses her daily life as a teacher, her training regimen, and the importance of balancing short and long-distance races.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Susanna Sullivan's Journey

04:44 The Chicago Marathon Breakthrough

10:54 Training Philosophy and Future Goals

13:53 Balancing Short and Long Distance Racing

19:21 High School and College Running Experience

24:20 Post-College Running and Coaching Dynamics

31:47 Training Secrets and Cross-Training Insights

37:25 State of the Sport and Integrity Issues

41:55 Wishes for the Future

Daniel Romanchuk is one of the world's top wheelchair racers. This fall, he won the New York City Marathon and, a week later, the BAA Boston Half Marathon. He set a course record in the latter event.

In August, Romanchuk entered 5 events in the Paris Paralympics, winning gold in the 5000 meters and bronze in the marathon.

Born with spina bifida--a not-fully-formed spine--Romanchuk spent his early years trying to keep up with two older siblings. He enrolled in an adaptive sports program in his hometown, Baltimore, at age 5, and has been pursuing one sport (or many) ever since.

In this podcast interview, he talks about: 

# his summer and fall of races

# why he did his first marathon at age 14

# how wheelchair athletes train

# why so many of them are located, as he is, at the University of Illinois/Champaign

# how wheelchair racing has evolved during his years in the sport

# ways he hopes to make racing wheelchairs less expensive and more accessible

# and much more

WHERE TO FIND "RUNNING: STATE OF THE SPORT"

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Marathon Handbook is the world’s leading marathon website, with a special focus on trustworthy running information and free, runner-tested training plans for all ability levels.

"Run Long, Run Healthy" is Amby’s weekly newsletter with the newest, most scientific, and most useful training advice for runners.

Ted Metellus is race director of the TCS New York City Marathon. In many ways, he’s a miracle maker. How else do you get 50,000+ runners from midtown Manhattan to Staten Island, and then back again (on foot) to finish in Central Park? Especially when they come from so many different countries and speak different languages?

Metellus seems almost born to the position he holds. Raised in New York City with Haitian-heritage parents, he’s big, bold, always smiling, and details-obsessed. He has also run 44 half marathons and two NYC Marathons, so he knows the needs of midpack runners as well as the elites.

In this podcast he discusses:

# how he went to the recent Chicago Marathon but didn’t see the race’s epic new women’s world record. Why? He had to fly back to NYC for the Staten Island Half.

# a few tricks that the NYC Marathon has learned from other big races

# what the NY Road Runners are doing to enhance diversity in the organization and the sport

# what new World Marathon Majors race(s) we might be seeing soon

# why everyone seems to be running these days (and trying to get entries into the most popular marathons)

# why he enjoys running road races himself

# and much more

WHERE TO FIND "RUNNING: STATE OF THE SPORT"

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"Run Long, Run Healthy" is Amby’s weekly newsletter with the newest, most scientific, and most useful training advice for runners.

Some think Jessica McClain was the "tough luck kid" of 2024. After all, she finished 4th in both the Olympic Marathon Trials and the Olympic Track Trials 10,000. And fourth is the worst position, right?

Excited about her life, her work, and her running, she sees the past 10 months as evidence that she's on a great path: happy, healthy, running strong.  And she thinks it's a sustainable path that could carry her all the way to the 2028 Los Angeles Olympics. 

McClain, who recently won the USATF 10K Road Championship, will race next in the New York City Marathon on November 3. 

In this podcast, she discusses her training to get ready for New York. It's going great.

She also talks about:

# Her last-minute trip to the Paris Olympics when she was called to be a possible alternate. She didn't know for whom, or even for which event--10,000 or the marathon. It was an unfortunate and little discussed situation for all involved.

# Her early love for running--she started when she was 12--and how she developed into a 4-time Footlocker XC finalist as a high schooler. 

# Her move from Phoenix to Seattle to become a pro runner after graduating from Stanford. And why that didn't work out so well.

# The many life changes she experienced during several Covid years, and how they eventually brought her back to her essential love of running. But not quickly.

# Why so many top women runners seem to be better after they have taken a few years away from the sport ... for whatever reason.

# The fulfillment of working for several nonprofits that support fostering children and adopting dogs.

# And much more.

You can learn more about Jessica McClain by following her on Instagram. 

If you'd like to support her work on behalf of foster kids and dog adoptions, visit the Love Up Foundation and/or the Love Pup Foundation.

WHERE TO FIND "RUNNING: STATE OF THE SPORT"

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Run Long, Run Healthy" is Amby’s weekly newsletter with the newest, most scientific, and most useful training advice for runners.

Carey Pinkowski is the longest serving race director of a World Marathon Major race, having taken the helm at the Bank of America Chicago Marathon way back in 1990. Before that, he was an elite runner with personal bests ranging from 4:01 in the mile to 2:20:43 in the marathon.

This year's Chicago is just three weeks away on Sunday, October 13. As always it will feature a big and star-studded field of runners.

In his three-plus decades with the Chicago Marathon, Pinkowski has become known for putting on a super-fast race for elite competitors, and a super-efficient race for midpackers.

Last year, Kelvin Kiptum set the marathon world record in Chicago, running 2:00:35. He covered the second half of the distance in an astounding 59:47.

This year's Chicago is expected to host more than 50,000 starters--the most ever. They come for the big city vibe, the fast tour of many neighborhoods, and the easy-accessibility of Chicago's loop course with a start and finish in Grant Park on the lakefront.   

In this podcast, Pinkowski reflects on:

# What he learned in his early years on the job

# Some of the best--and most challenging--years of the Chicago Marathon

# What runners like best about coming to Chicago and running the urban marathon

# Why Chicago has pacers vs other Major Marathons that don't

# What he learned from watching Kelvin Kiptum's world-record last year

# How he learned about Kiptum's death, and his immediate reactions

# And much more

You can follow updates from the Bank of America Chicago Marathon on Twitter and Instagram.

WHERE TO FIND "RUNNING: STATE OF THE SPORT"

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"Running: State of the Sport" is brought to you by MarathonHandbook.com and RunLongRunHealthy.com.

Marathon Handbook is the world’s leading marathon website, with a special focus on trustworthy running information and free, runner-tested training plans for all ability levels.

"Run Long, Run Healthy" is Amby’s weekly newsletter with the newest, most scientific, and most useful training advice for runners.

Mike Scannell coached Grant Fisher to two bronze medals (5000 and 10,000 meters) in the Paris Olympics--a feat no American runner had achieved previously. Which brings up a good question: Who is Mike Scannell?

Turns out he is a forever-friend of Grant Fisher's family, and coached Fisher to 2 Footlocker XC Championships victories back when Fisher was a Michigan high schooler. Then he sat back and watched Fisher run 4 years at Stanford, and 4 years with the Bowerman Track Club.

A year ago, Fisher called Scannell to say he was ready for a change of location and coaching. He moved to Park City, UT, and Scannell wrote up a training plan for the long pre-Paris buildup.

In this Pod, Scannell sketches his personal background in running (2:16 marathon!), and describes how he and Fisher designed their successful Olympic plan. Some major topics:

# Scannell's 4 key workouts for every training week

# How to build speed with a minimal amount of speedwork

# What Scannell thinks of Fisher's marathon potential

# Can Jakob Ingebrigtsen be beaten at 5000 meters?

# The current state of American running

And much more.

On ⁠X.com,⁠ Scannell posts a daily motivational tip. Here's a great recent one: "We always save something for ‘another day.’  That’s in part why I don’t do, ‘last one, fast one.’  The other reason is that I don’t want kids to ‘fail’ in practice, and running all out means you run until your body fails. I like kids to walk away with success on the brain."

WHERE TO FIND "RUNNING: STATE OF THE SPORT"

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Marathon Handbook is the world’s leading marathon website, with a special focus on trustworthy running information and free, runner-tested training plans for all ability levels.

"Run Long, Run Healthy" is Amby’s weekly newsletter with the newest, most scientific, and most useful training advice for runners.

It was an amazing Paris Olympics on the track and roads, and George Hirsch and Amby Burfoot discuss all the highlights here in this Paris Review podcast. 

We start with our two favorite races--the women’s marathon and men’s 1500 meters--and work our way through just about everything else.

From Faith Kipyegon to Beatrice Chebet to Grant Fisher. From Sydney McLaughlin-Levrone to Gabby Thomas to Kenneth Rooks. And much more.

Relive Paris with us! It was so good, you deserve to enjoy it twice.

Where To Find “Running: State of the Sport” 

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"Running: State of the Sport" is brought to you by MarathonHandbook.com and RunLongRunHealthy.com.

Marathon Handbook is the world’s leading marathon website, with a special focus on trustworthy running information and free, runner-tested training plans for all ability levels.

"Run Long, Run Healthy" is Amby’s weekly newsletter with the newest, most scientific, and most useful training advice for runners.