This episode of the Getting Smart Podcast is a part of our New Pathways campaign. In partnership with ASA, Stand Together and the Walton Foundation, the New Pathways campaign will question education's status quo and propose new methods of giving students a chance to experience success in what's next.

On this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast Nate McClennen is joined by Rupert Ward, a former Special Adviser and Project Lead for iDEA, one of the world's most successful free educational technologies.

Rupert is a Professor of Learning Innovation and Associate Dean (International) within the School of Computing and Engineering - at the University of Huddersfield, UK. He is also a National Teaching Fellow and Principal Fellow of the Higher Education Academy.

Nate and Rupert discuss the importance of trust, how learning fitness could be more like physical fitness and the role of technology in shaping the future of learning.