Hal Herring sits down with Ryan Busse, BHA National Board Chair. Busse lives in Kalispell, Montana and he's an avid fisherman, bird dog lover, and elk chaser. They discuss BHA's contagious energy, raising conservation-minded kids, wandering the country alone, gerrymandering, natural resource issues in modern politics, the economic value of public lands, voting against our own self-interests, dreams of a new political life, Hal's suspicions of the liberal left, and much more.