David’s in a brilliant mood this morning (ie. he’s had 2 double expressos), which slightly wrong-foots Joe to begin with. He’s just been doing some household chores and is really not as upbeat as David. So the pod's all a little imbalanced for the first 15 mins or so. Then Joe realises that with David in this mood, it’s a great time to ask him again about his attitude to MMUs, hoping for a better response than last time.

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